No dungeon finder is killing the game

WoW Classic Mists of Pandaria Classic Discussion
1

I just want to offer my perspective on this, and I’m sure many of you will disagree, and that’s okay. I don’t mind. I’m just providing my thoughts on this.

I play on a relatively high-pop server. I’ve leveled several characters to 70, and done the whole gear up to T4/BiS process. And I also have a dynamic work schedule, so I’m active on the game during peak hours, and during mornings, mid-day, and night. I’m well-aware of what my server’s log-in patterns are like and when people play and don’t play.

I really think, that at this point in time, the game needs the Dungeon Finder (which, correct me if I’m wrong, was introduced around ICC).

I know plenty of people, and myself included, who are struggling, even during times right before, right after, and sometimes even during PEAK WoW playing hours on a high-pop server to find groups for heroic dungeons, or even normal dungeons, attunes, etc.

Everyone has different wants/needs based on their character’s gear. I get that. A priest might want to run Heroic AC for example, to get the cloak. A rogue might want to only run Black Morass for their sword. Whatever it is, people have different needs.

What does that lead to? Non-stop, absurd amounts of spam in the LFG channel.

Now, this wasn’t a problem during release, because everyone was quite literally on the same page of what they needed. Now that people are at the stage of raid-logging, and the apathy has set in, it has become increasingly difficult for people to do dungeons, get raid attuned, and do any sort of end-game content without having to spam the crap out of the LFG channel, which gets buried under walls of text of “WTS SP runs”, “WTS MARA BOOST”, “My guild is looking for more warlocks” etc etc.

Most players, from whom I’ve interacted with, do not have the Bulletin addon.

The current Looking For Group addition to the UI is extremely under-used. I use it frequently, all the time, and most of the time I look into it, I’m the only person using it. I may catch the odd other person in there, but its incredibly rare.

I really think introducing the Dungeon Finder to the UI would help the game immensely. It’s going to make things easier for player to get grouped for what they need. I don’t believe it’s going to “kill the game” if it only sorts you with players of your own server. There is still a good reason to be social to uphold your reputation with the server. You still need to communicate in the dungeon for CC and other things, such as loot rules, reserves, mining/herbing nodes, etc.

If its only server based, I don’t see the problem with it . I just think it would be super helpful and clear up a lot of communication in the game in a way that does not damage the social integrity of the community .

What are your guys thoughts on this, if any

13 Likes
2

I think labeling people using LFG chat as “spam” is a big league stretch. Dungeon Finder might work for normals and low level runs but it will be an absolute nightmare for heroics.

People not running Heroics is mainly due to the lack of long time rewards on the badge vendor. If it had stuff like the previous raid tier tokens, gems, primal motes, nethers, vortexes, and pvp gear alongside the current set of epics you would see people running Heroics more.

But sure shoehorn it into the game and lets see how quick you QQ about it not working like it did in Wotlk. Add it in please.

3

playing both vanilla and tbc has only shown me classic+ was the right direction all along

9 Likes
4

Let people buy mana thistle, terocone, adamantite, or nethers for badges, and amount of heroics being ran will increased tenfold overnight

2 Likes
5

LFD wouldn’t change anything as players don’t need anything or can skip pre bis with GDKP runs.

6

OK here’s the thing If you want my honest opinion my absolute honest Is there a solid argument for lfd Yes there is.

Is this still a social game um Yes and no this very much depends on your server I mean I can tell you I have problems finding groups because when I play.

Is my work schedule only allows me to play It’s late at night and I’m only an hour behind my server so when I get home at like 10:00 p.m. it’s already 11:00 p.m. server.

Is so I can only raid on the weekends and finding groups for anything as a nightmare And mind you I’m a tank.

So if anybody understands what you’re saying it’s me however If they were to bring in the group finder tool in the legion not the automatic one.

The biggest problem I have with that is there is no accountability Now granted is there accountability now um it depends.

I mean the sad truth is because there’s so little people playing the game right now it’s like well this guy ninja looted but it’s himmer nobody.

Or maybe people are just going through stuff so fast do they even notice I mean I can tell you when I journey do a pug unless there’s a problem.

There’s generally not a lot of talking I mean I’ll say Hi and I’ll get a hollow back but that’s about it I mean is that sociability I mean everyone talks about the sociability I mean everyone talks about this oh yeah I got to know this guy and we were friends.

I hate to be one to say it but that’s a rarity nowadays I came back to classic classic because well I wanted to make friends and you cannot make friends in retail.

Is either one you’re good enough where people just notice you for whatever activity or 2 you’ve already got friends

There’s generally known between Now does it happen yes Is it common no Is it more likely to happen the earlier parts of the game oh absolutely.

But that’s kind of my stand Maybe if they were to put it in and this is a very very very big if.

They could make it not cross realm But the only problem with that is If people are having problems finding groups now is that really going to help I don’t know.

I mean we saw what happened in wrath of the litchiking It’s literally the reason a lot of people say wrath was the beginning of the end.

Looking back on it As a whole LFD This wasn’t a bad thing necessarily It’s the way the player beats handled it.

Or rather Is the way the game is designed It’s just kind of tossing something like that in I don’t think it would work out very well now if they were to put the group finder from Lee is group finder from legion in.

That’s another story Is the only problem with that I have is do you make that cross realm or not I don’t know.

Because then it could be used as a tool to help find groups for raids And as much as I like that the problem with that is itis that is it starts to arode the reason why have a Guild.

So that’s kind of my stands on it

1 Like
7

even if they DO add it in it isn’t going to work like it did in wotlk. it only worked in wotlk because heorics became absurdly easy compared to tbc. they were far more forgiving. what would happen is you queue as dps: estimated wait time 45mins. just because lfd is in the game DOESN’T MAGICALLY MEAN MORE PLAYERS ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING HEORICS IN TBC. sure you might get an initial influx of players but once they realize how hard heorics ACTUALLY ARE that will die down quickly.

2 Likes
8

If it is only server based then why not just use the LFG chat like everyone else ? There are a hundred other reasons why the game is dying, and dungeon finder is NOT one of them.

2 Likes
9

No, meter obsessed dps is what’s killing the game. If I were a Tank I wouldn’t want to tank for me either. Gotta seed moar! ARRRRGGGHHH!

10

Yup.

They think it will magically connect them to the servers full of tanks and healers in need of dps.

In actuality; it won’t change anything noticeably over about level 40 except for putting together hilariously broken groups… stop me if you’ve heard this one: 3 warriors, a tree, and a rogue port into H MGT.

3 Likes
11

Dungeon Finder or what your actually looking for LFD simply wouldn’t function if you have the pool of only your own realm. That is where the issue is coming from in the first place.

The only real way it could work is if it threw people in wanted to run dungeons into a random one and then heavily punished those who choose to leave.

The reason why LFD worked in the way it did and does is because it takes players from across all realms and matches them. IT is the sheer volume of players WoW had as a whole that solved the issue because there would always be other players that are on your schedule something in the game.

12

correct, LFD is needed asap

13

I can see why someone would think this, but the hard reality is that you want an idea, but not the reality. Especially wit the boost in play, you need to have control over who is in your group.

1 Like
14

Dungeon Finder / LFD would go like this:
DPS who can’t find a group queues up. 30 min+ wait time because every other DPS is queueing up too. Tank and healer get in almost instantly. All the DPS are undergeared as hell. They wipe a couple times on trash then can’t do the first boss, the tank leaves then the healer leaves.

Then you will get people who queue up for a specific dungeon, get their quest or gear item halfway through then leave. So for Tanks and Healers it will just be either putting up with terrible DPS, or joining a terrible group halfway through.

Why wouldn’t they just form their own group and check out everyone’s class and gear before hand ? Without the right group composition most dungeons in TBC are a lot harder.

2 Likes
15

The social aspect of a server is the biggest crock of boar vomit that this community has spewed.

Nobody talks in dungeons, nobody cares about who you are they just want to run the content, you could be a bot and it wouldn’t matter as long as the people running got what they needed out of you. This isn’t 2007 nobody is actually looking for the social aspect of the game, they don’t even like the game, they just want the sweet dopamine rewards of watching numbers go up, if they want to be social they go on discord or any other social gathering place where you can actually have a good time.

1 Like
16

You have made an excellent case that you should quit playing the game. Preferably without wrecking it for those of us who actually enjoy it, by getting Blizzard to add the dungeon queue which played the biggest role into turning Modern into the godawful mess it is now.

9 Likes
17

I like the game, I don’t like all aspects of the game. If making groups easier to get wrecks the game for you you aren’t playing WoW you are playing gatekeeper.

Not having LFD doesn’t magically mean players are going to be social butterflies.

18

It’s ironic people say that, given how Classic (which was much more authentic) was FAR more successful than TBCC…which already has lost so many subs people say servers are empty.

This is just yet more proof forum posters are a very, very, very, very small percentage of the actual playerbase. Yet it’s those whiny, entitled forum posters that Blizzard seems to listen to.

19

There’s unwritten rules of conduct that I’ve seen people follow in groups. They were present in original Vanilla and TBC and they returned in the classic versions.

Most players don’t need in offspec gear if someone else is needing for main spec.

Most players finish a dungeon run even if the item they need isn’t off the last boss.

These things go out the window with Dungeon Finder. DPS warrs will queue for something like BM as a tank to skip the queue, roll on the hourglass if it drops from the second boss, the peace out. Don’t worry, you’ll have about 40 seconds to get matched with a new tank before the next portal opens.

No, Dungeon Finder is not the answer. A better option would be to give us the retail version of the LFG tool rather than the limited piece of crap we got.

20

Instead of now where they just don’t run dungeons at all because you can’t get a group without spamming for hours, I scarcely see much difference.