Dark Rangers are undead so any lore justification you come up with goes out the window so I’m pretty confused why NB DR is so lore breaking to you.
Or are you really saying an undead velf Monk DR is just fine lore wise?
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I’ve literally explained this already. Nothing is “out the window” and the lore was given to you earlier.
I’ve also explained this to you, as well.
If you want to advocate that the lore is bas, so let’s make it worse, fine. Go for it. But I won’t.
This conversation went in circles and I’m not repeating myself anymore.
They are just not considered elves that were attacked by a faction that had access to valkyr to bring back the fallen, because they’re not. 
It’s weird how they did Night Elves but not Nightborne.
I’m just having a discussion on the topic, not being hostile. Also trying to understand your stance, which I’m still not getting.
I know what a DR is and I know where they came from so all velf Dark Ranger Monks, Mages, Priests and Warlocks make zero sense.
Warriors and Rogues are fine. They make sense.
So for a void elf Mage, Monk, Priest or Warlock to be a Dark Ranger then they had to be raised on Darkshore, not way back in the day, because Sylvanas only raised rangers.
And this skin tone has nothing to do with lore because those velves and nelf players are not undead. Its cosmetic.
So since it’s just cosmetic, they need to give it to NB for balance.
I don’t get why Forsaken didn’t get an undead Elf option TBH. When I think Dark Ranger I think Forsaken/undead not BE, NE, and especially not VE. They should’ve just given it to the Forsaken and allowed them to have an undead Elf appearance tied to the skin/eyes.
Blizz and their decisions . . . I will never understand them.
Unfortunately, no one plays Nightborne, so Blizzard forgot they were in the game.
I’m pretty sure the lore justification for Undead Hunters was the elf Dark Rangers in UC training them.
And to play devils advocate, maybe the reason we didn’t get NB DR customization was the Forsaken had white skin and red eyes before 9.2.5.
After I noticed the new skin/eyes was just a BE’s voice I went to Forsakend to see if maybe we possibly got it also and found out about the skin and eyes so made an undead hunter. I much prefer the Forsaken racials to the BE’s anyways.
Thanks.
I never said you were. Not even sure why that needed to be said. Literally no one is being hostile.
And that’s not grounds to make this worse than it already is.
Uh… yeah… they are. That’s the entire reason the pale dead skin exists. They’re undead.
If it’s “just a cosmetic,” there’s nothing to balance. This isn’t some gameplay mechanic that makes them better than others.
And no, there doesn’t NEED to be “balance” in everything. This whole “gimme gimme gimme gimme it’s not fair” mentality is why we’re at where we’re at today.
“The lore is bad, so let’s make it worse and we have to be nice and fair to people” is what’s destroyed this game.
I’m muting this thread.
I now have a way that the San’layn can be Horde . Thanks.
I said that because I got a feeling you were getting angry and this last reply kind of confirmed it.
I wasn’t trying to make you angry. I was just presenting my side of why I think this is unfair to NB players.
I don’t want to make the lore worse either but this feels like a big snub to NB players because the customization for velves.
This patch was all about giving players pre-existing options using pre-existing assets - not making new ones from scratch.
Nightborne never had a Dark Ranger option because… why would they? afaik, Sylvanas only created Kaldorei ones as an additional “screw you!” to the Alliance. Not a whole lot of onus to potentially upset her new allies by zombifying their dead, assuming she even cared, or if they even had archers good enough to qualify.
In any case, story aside, this was a lower-effort patch, but… hey, it’s something at the very least.
But she didn’t care what the faction leaders thought. That was well established with her interaction with Baine.
So the whole “oh she didn’t want to piss off whatshername” goes out the window too.
It was most likely done because Nightborne don’t have an eye color option - (like Draenei/Lightforged/Dark Iron) and the devs who added the options were just not in the mood to code the options.
It really should be added though.
I think you’re 100% correct.
There’s no lore justification and I laugh when someone tries to give one. Or are we really saying there’s undead Paladins now.
Eh, not a one to one comparison though. Baine and the Tauren were proven, long term allies who’d put up with the Forsaken’s crap since day one. She knew she could freely abuse them because they weren’t gonna do crap. They never did.
The Nightborn were less of a known quantity.
At the very least, I could see her having more “respect” for an Elven ally than the barely civilized cows.
Hmm that doesn’t make sense that you don’t care about threatening one of your largest allies, with an actual city and army but you do care about about pissing off your homeless allies with an opiate addiction.
Maizou gave the real reason above.
As someone who put red eyes on all their elves, dark ranger nightborne sounds awesome.
I don’t think that “fits” the lore atm tho. We haven’t seen a lot of necromancy play out in Surammar. It was isolated in a bubble for like 10 thousand years.
Huh? Did… the Nightborne not keep Suramar? I haven’t played/started one, so I don’t know if they somehow lost it on the way to becoming a part of the Horde.
That said, the Tauren are a proven quantity. She knew exactly how much she can push them without them turning on her - effectively indefinitely. They’ll stick by the Horde no matter what.
The Nightborne? That’s not as clear. This race’s primary MO is… well, rebelling against rulers who’re siding with evil powers. A lot more volatile, a lot more prone to rebellion… they won’t sit quietly like the Tauren when their leaders are killed and people defiled.
But, if they really do suck that much, then it’s back to the point that they wouldn’t be worth the time anyways. If they’re not Dark Ranger material, then they’re simply not good enough to waste the necromancy on.