Someone got really upset about a fictional story.
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She was part of the Highborne society, and was drunk with power. The night elves fought against the legion invasion.
OP, I agree that it is terrible that the developers have chosen to go in this direction. : /
Tell me how me losing my main city is worse than you losing yours. Don’t get all “it was a living thing” on me, this is a game and we’re people talking about it. Neither of us actually lived through the horrors in game, so please don’t pretend they’re real. Yes, the story in BFA could suck start a Harley. I think we can agree on that.
Want to talk about a crapy story, how about being Forsaken with a grain of morality? We’ve both suffered, but you haven’t had your racial leader become the bad guy in this expansion. Last time it was just my Warlord.
All the cries of “Horde favoritism”, and never once has your faction been the bad guy. Sorry the story makes you have bad feels, it pretty much goes that anyone who follows it will suffer.
edit: I rolled Forsaken for WotF in TBC, because it seemed OP. I stayed because I found community. The fact that the story so bitterly divides us is sad, I so could have rolled a Nelf rogue instead on that day I first played.
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There’s no such thing as justice, not in fantasy, not in reality.
That said, the coming expacs should be very interesting as while the factions may have a kind of tentative peace, there will always be friction.
I think it’ll be fun.
I hope the teldrassil refugees get plagued when we bomb stormwind.
You realize most people would agree that Forsaken have been wrongly handled as well? They have had so much potential as a race but instead get thrown into predictable roles.
I don’t think people are inserting themselves into the game, but when these types of events happen to something you might be a passionate about, it really doesn’t sit well. If you think of your favorite race being a foot ball team and you are rooting for things to go good, and they don’t… well of course it’s going to have negative effects. Same emotional investment in movies and television shows.
One problem. Alliance has never lost a power house in a raid. Most go out in video like a boss.
Hey guys, Sylvanas did something bad. Let’s make the entire population of the horde responsible.
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Although they did have a major roll in the war of thorns… I am willing to let this go they can get on to something more interesting other than poorly done faction wars. Sylvanas and her loyalists are solely going to be the target, that’s fine because I don’t have high expectations.
Forsaken lost: 1 City, 1 Zone
Night Elves lost: 1 City, 3 Zones, most of their people, their support from the alliance, their future
Yup, seems about equal
Sylvanas didn’t single handedly wipe out the night elves and destroy their zones, friendly reminder.
you know azshara is a highborne right?
the same highborne that are the nightborne right ( the ones that are on horde side now )? part of the reason tyrande and the alliance night elves were not killed and drowned with azshara and turned into naga, excluding those that elisande saved in suramar is because they were the lowborn who knew being hedonistic with the arcane and knew it was a path to destruction.
the night elves have given everything for azeroth. there immortality in the battle of the three armies against archimonde in hyjal. and the ones who just had sylvanas commit genocide against them. and wars against the aqir. and the burning legion. the night elves have given literally everything to save azeroth and continue to get dumped on by blizzard.
go read a wiki sometime.
So is it when Azshara, the night elf queen, destroys a good portion of the planet and summons a demon god onto the world the night elves are innocent. Because that was just Azshara being silly.
But when Sylvanas burns down teldrassil it is the pentultimate evil and unforgivable and the entirety of the horde must suffer and pay?
#alliancelogic
this is the avenue that blizz basically never took with the forsaken because of sylvanas.
you eat some mouldy bread and dont think anything else of it because the rest of your family did on your homestead one day. boom you die and next day wake up in a crypt and your told your evil because #reasons. the forsaken are just resurrected humans. the correlation of them being evil because they are zombies was one never explored by blizz. it was a black and white case of: you dead = you are now an evil genocidal monster who servers the banshee queen trying to eradicate the living. in bannerbae we saw that the forsaken still have free will. tink tink.
at least with calia menethil at the helm soon, they might actually explore the undead citizens of lordaeron in a new direction. actual royalty of lordaeron, and who undoubtedly cares for her people, and would undoubtedly be super ashamed at what her brother did to her people. but this is blizzard writing we are talking about.
they will just set up the next horde moron to start another fight with the alliance. make them warchief and get beat into the dirt again. blizz keep writing the same story over and over. the horde has started 5 wars with the alliance, the alliance lose a whole bunch and then beat the snot out of the horde and tell them " dont do that again ". until they do.
You know that Arthas was a human when he purged Stratholme, right?
You know Garrosh was an orc when he destroyed Pandaria and Theramore, right?
You know Sargeras killed planets, right?
All these were people in charge, yet the people of their race fought against them.
no. sylvanas must pay. not the horde.
sargeras tricked azshara ( a highborne, the same highborne that are the nightborne on the horde now ) and xavius into opening the portal, but the burning legion didnt get to fully invade during that, it was just the chance of the door opening. guldan fully let them in. a lot of the bad that has happened is either because of the old gods or sargeras.
and if we want to get really technical the night elves were retconned to be evolved trolls in chronicles. so you can blame the trolls if you want to play that silly game.
but sylvanas is the one who committed genocide against the night elves. shes the one that pays. with her head. both genn and tyrande have ownership rights to sylvanas’s head now. hopefully they both get to claim it.
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Yet their factions are blamed for what happened.
Literally.
Go watch the cinematic between Anduin and Saurfang.
Done arguing literal story content in the game right now with people who obviously can’t read what is literally in the game. Not speculation. Not opinion.
Literally in the game!
This whole game surrounds the cycle of war and hatred. One side does something bad, the other retaliates, then more retaliation, over and over again.
That’s Literally!!! Why the “Breaking the Cycle” is so significant because it represents at least a half-baked attempt to stop the hatred and ever repeating blame and shame happening between the factions.
That’s fine, but they wont be able to continue that narrative if we do not see the alliance returning the forsaken homes to them, and same with horde not returning the Night elf lands to them.
Idk how longer they will keep the Broken cycle narrative going if they leave their loose ends untied.
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Agreed, although I don’t see those as “loose ends”.
If the war is over, everyone will keep what they have an negotiate any changes after the fact.
I get that Blizz wants to give the Alliance some internal drama, but I really don’t think this is the way to go about it. In fact, they don’t have to manufacture any drama at all… there’s plenty that’s already so low hanging the branch is nearly touching the ground. For example:
- With Anduin being focused on the Legion and immediately following, the Horde/Forsaken, how are the lands under Stormwind’s rule doing? They’re probably feeling neglected. At first glance this may come off as a replay of the human situation in Vanilla, but it could be very different this time if Anduin is forced to come to terms with the problem and properly handle it.
- For the Night Elves, the burning of Teldrassil is beginning to have enough distance that many nelves are able to approach the subject rationally rather than emotionally, allowing them to be more concerned with the future of the race rather than with vengeance. This is likely at odds with what Tyrande is feeling, especially with her being hopped up on Elune-juice.
- With Sylvanas having been ousted from the Horde, the Gilneans are probably pretty keen on re-inhabiting Gilneas, but Greymane is probably too distracted with chasing Sylvanas to make this happen.
Those are just a handful of examples that would bring drama to the Alliance that don’t involve nonsensical plots that drive the races apart. Alliance conflict is best done when it’s internal to each race and doesn’t spill out.
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