Night Elves: Trashed and written into corner

[Starstrike-draka]

Let’s face it, the Night Elves were just stomped on by the developers in this expansion. But what really irritates me is that even with the seeming end of the Fourth War, the punishment is set to continue.

I speak of course of Tyrande and the obvious direction they are taking her.

Not only are they pigeonholing her into a mindless vengeance stance and implying she is a bad person for being this way, they are setting up all the Night Elves to look bad by continuing the war in an attempt to repay the Horde for what it did to their homeland.

And make no mistake, it IS the Horde’s fault. Sylvanas may have given the orders, but even Saurfang went along with her bloodthirsty madness until it got a little too real for them. And now we are in some twisted honorable peace with them where they are just sweeping all the atrocities under the rug and implying we should be doing the same.

To the Night Elves, what they are seeing is the Horde basically being forgiven for everything for political convenience. Where’s their justice? Sorry isn’t going to bring back Teldrassil, their blighted forests, or their thousands of dead including those desecrated and raised as puppets by Sylvanas.

And to add insult to injury, the developers are pushing them into becoming a fracturing element to the Alliance.

We all know what is going to happen next: the Alliance and Horde are hugging each other as best of friends when suddenly Tyrande and her forces launch a massive attack on the Horde and start going crazy like killing innocent civilians and sacrificing them to Elune or some nonsense. And we are forced to band together to destroy this awful, uncaring threat to our precious ‘peace.’

It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if Tyrande was made a raid boss in the near future, the developers seem deadset on making the Night Elves pay for the crime of existing. And even if she isn’t killed, she’ll be turned into some weak willed and irrational character that needs some idealistic and naïve boy king to be kept in check like with Varian.

She’s tens of thousands of years old and she needs 20 year old humans to be an effective leader? C’mon…

So I’m begging the developers…stop punishing the Night Elves and Tyrande for your own story choices. They have every right to be utterly outraged at the Horde and strike back at them to ensure the safety of their race.

They already paid the ultimate price for trusting the Horde to behave themselves, they’d be complete fools at this point to just take a politically correct ‘peace’ at face value, anyone would.

They’ve already suffered to an unimaginable degree, please stop kicking them when they are down…

[Elradrierion-rexxar]

To the Night Elves, what they are seeing is the Horde basically being forgiven for everything for political convenience. Where’s their justice? Sorry isn’t going to bring back Teldrassil, their blighted forests, or their thousands of dead including those desecrated and raised as puppets by Sylvanas.

Justice?
You mean the Justice that the NE haven’t received yet for starting all of this?
You know that Azshara was a NE when she summoned Sargeras to Azeroth, putting everything into motion right?
Nothing done to the NE will ever be enough justice to atone for what they brought to Azeroth.

[Karat-anubarak (Karat)]

So, let me get this straight: you think they deserve their vengeance but you also don’t want them to go for their vengeance by continuing the war against Anduin’s wishes. Did I sum that up correctly?

[Gashy-dalaran (Gashy)]

Are we going that route? Why not blame the Titans for causing that well to be a thing which inevitably lead to their fallen brother to notice this font of immeasurable power when it obviously was used for all kinds of arcane magic.

What a ridiculous argument. The Night Elves aren’t even the ones that did this, you’re talking about their former highborne society which is more pointing the finger at the remaining nightborne and Blood Elves if anything. Above all the Naga for certain. The Night Elves of today only have a small minority of highborne night elves back in the fold.

[Johad-quelthalas]

Hey guys, Azshara did something bad. Let’s make the entire population of the Night Elves responsible.

Except for the Nightborne, they changed their names so that’s ok.

[Elthaea-thrall]

I don’t feel trashed on since I got to see the Tree huggers die in mass and watched as their giant tree house went up in flames. But I’ll admit I’m sad… that more of them didn’t die!

[Elradrierion-rexxar]

Again, because people don’t know lore.
Highborne ARE Night Elves.
Before they were exiled, they lived with their NE brethren and were kicked for using bad mojo magic.
The NE of today are the same NE of yesteryear who threw out the Highborne.

Still responsible.

[Elradrierion-rexxar]

Hey guys, Azshara did something bad. Let’s make the entire population of the Night Elves responsible.

Oh Garrosh did something bad, let’s blame the entire horde.
Oh, Gul’dan did something bad, let’s blame the entire horde.
Oh, Sylvanas did something bad, let’s blame the entire horde.
Oh Daelin did something bad, let’s blame the entire alliance.
Oh, the High Elves did something bad, let’s hate all of the elves.

Literally, this is a common theme in this game.

Everyone in game always holds the race responsible for the actions of individuals.

Saurfang/Anduin literally address this exact thing in their cinematic.

[Gashy-dalaran (Gashy)]

I am aware of that. Re-read the argument.

[Elradrierion-rexxar]

I did.
I literally just had this exact discussion with someone else here an hour ago lol

[Starstrike-draka]

I want their vengeance to feel righteous because that’s exactly what it is.

The Horde burned their home, blighted their forests, and murdered and raised their people. ‘I was just following orders’ isn’t an acceptable excuse, they went along with it and now they need to pay for it. REALLY pay for it, not lose some Forsaken babymaker in a side quest and call it good.

I’m talking about vengeance like storming their way through Azshara while killing every Horde in their path, taking the giant cannon there, and firing a shell straight into Orgrimmar leaving it burning and largely in ruins while Tyrande echoes Ra’s Al Ghul and looks on with a dark but satisfied expression.

‘Justice is balance, you burned my house and left me for dead. I’m just returning the favor.’

Righteousness.

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

Every race has bad juju happen to them in an expansion. There was no bullying of the night elves. It was simply their turn.

I speak of course of Tyrande and the obvious direction they are taking her.

Not only are they pigeonholing her into a mindless vengeance stance and implying she is a bad person for being this way, they are setting up all the Night Elves to look bad by continuing the war in an attempt to repay the Horde for what it did to their homeland.

And make no mistake, it IS the Horde’s fault. Sylvanas may have given the orders, but even Saurfang went along with her bloodthirsty madness until it got a little too real for them. And now we are in some twisted honorable peace with them where they are just sweeping all the atrocities under the rug and implying we should be doing the same.

I don’t understand this. People complain that the night elves were bullied and they got no real vengeance, then Tyrande is about to actually go off and go get vengeance and people don’t like it.

[Gashy-dalaran (Gashy)]

Then let me spell it out for you.

You’re talking about a part of their society that has largely split from the Night Elves you’re talking about today. You’re assigning blame to the wrong people, the Night Elf faction of today largely doesn’t have the ones responsible. That’s the Naga and maybe some Nightborne.

[Johad-quelthalas]

Uh no, that’s not the Horde blaming the entire Night Elves. That’s you assuming they deserve everything that falls into them just because a crazy girl (whose most of her kin are Horde now) did something.

Basically, with that mindset, when something bad happens to you just smile and say “I deserve this because another human did something bad or is doing something bad now.”

[Karat-anubarak (Karat)]

I want their vengeance to feel righteous because that’s exactly what it is.

The Horde burned their home, blighted their forests, and murdered and raised their people. ‘I was just following orders’ isn’t an acceptable excuse, they went along with it and now they need to pay for it. REALLY pay for it, not lose some Forsaken babymaker in a side quest and call it good.

I’m talking about vengeance like storming their way through Azshara while killing every Horde in their path, taking the giant cannon there, and firing a shell straight into Orgrimmar leaving it burning and largely in ruins while Tyrande echoes Ra’s Al Ghul and looks on with a dark but satisfied expression.

‘Justice is balance, you burned my house and left me for dead. I’m just returning the favor.’

Righteousness.

So… standard eye-for-an-eye revenge. Got it.

[Elradrierion-rexxar]

‘Justice is balance, you burned my house and left me for dead. I’m just returning the favor.’

Justice isn’t about balance.
It’s about acceptance and forgiveness lol.
You’re talking about an eye for an eye which isn’t justice.

[Elradrierion-rexxar]

You’re talking about a part of their society that has largely split from the Night Elves you’re talking about today. You’re assigning blame to the wrong people, the Night Elf faction of today largely doesn’t have the ones responsible. That’s the Naga and maybe some Nightborne.

And the horde of today has no responsibility for anything that happened prior to today.

The argument cuts both ways.

You’re literally trying to argue with how the writers wrote the game.
This isn’t me making anything up.
Literally every time something happens, the GROUP is blamed, not the individual.

The NPC dialogue after the most recent cinematic is the first time that an INDIVIDUAL is blamed for anything generally.

[Gashy-dalaran (Gashy)]

If you think justice is just about acceptance and forgiveness you need to take a look at our current justice system then

[Gashy-dalaran (Gashy)]

You’re talking about a part of their society that has largely split from the Night Elves you’re talking about today. You’re assigning blame to the wrong people, the Night Elf faction of today largely doesn’t have the ones responsible. That’s the Naga and maybe some Nightborne.

And the horde of today has no responsibility for anything that happened prior to today.

The argument cuts both ways.

You’re literally trying to argue with how the writers wrote the game.
This isn’t me making anything up.
Literally every time something happens, the GROUP is blamed, not the individual.

The NPC dialogue after the most recent cinematic is the first time that an INDIVIDUAL is blamed for anything generally.

Except they do, though. They have Orcs that are alive that have comitted evil acts in the name of their demon masters, for example, and they have forsaken and Horde that willingly comitted evil acts for Sylvanas and Garrosh. Where is this claim that the Horde has no responsibility? What, just because they say so?

Your arguments make absolutely no sense at all. You try to compare and link but the logic is completely broken. There are definitely people of the Horde alive that took part in the burning of Teldrassil and the Darkshore/Ashenvale campaign, so no that logic doesn’t cut both ways. They aren’t a seperate entity, they personally took part in these things unlike the Night Elves whom you’re assigning Highborne blame on.

[Elradrierion-rexxar]

Wow, when people go crazy they sure like to jump off the deep end don’t they.
Most of her kin aren’t horde, we actually have no hard numbers on how many stayed or left so most is a number you pulled out your butt.

As for me thinking they deserve it, no, it’s something I want to happen to them.