Give it to the humans or dwarves… the night elves have had enough to be honest.
Anyway we cannot “break the cycle” if we are always pitting PC races against eachother.
See, this is where you and I will disagree, and we’ll continue to disagree. I don’t think the night elves are being bullied, nor do I think this is some kind of hatred toward them as so many other people make it seem like. And I say that as a night elf fan. The humanizing of the night elves is why they’re in this position now where they became nothing but side characters. Returning to their more savage roots after being the victim of a tragedy and going after people is fine. Tyrande becoming a loot pinata is inconsequential if it means actual players can use it as development.
Careful, you’ll cut yourself with all that edge. /rollseyes
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Only development that provides is proving the humans of Sw are completely and totally in control, that the night elves are savages that need to be restrained. It would drag all other night elves along to go against their leader… I’ve seen this before, it has made forsaken players angry… it does not work. We have enough material to work with beyond turning PC races into loot piñatas.
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But it happened to us just now. The entire time throughout BFA, the Horde and the Alliance on these forums have been going after one another because the Alliance feel like nothing but side characters while also berating the Horde for the writing we’ve been subject to. Warchief #2 is out, Saurfang is dead and the target of much criticism because of how he was wishy washy throughout the whole expansion.
Alliance have made countless threads about how they’re nothing but a plot device for the Horde. Now you’re getting a chance to be in the spotlight. The Alliance cannot continue to insult the Horde and the players under the banner, and then when their turn arrives, suddenly complain about the writing and how since the Horde’s gone through it twice, and we know it doesn’t work, it should just not happen and other people shouldn’t get their turn.
Be thankful Tyrande’ll be in the spotlight. It’ll be fine.
Having a chance in the spotlight doesn’t mean that they need to have the same cut and paste style story that the horde has. It gets old, they certainly are capable of something better than this moving forward. I personally have some ideas, but with this team and having Anduin at the helm it is hopeless. Only hope is the political turmoil Genn, Tyrande, and others can apply at Anduin to actually make sure the horde is kept in check.
I have a feeling that we are looking into this the same way people were looking into Jaina. Everyone was calling for her Before BFA. We have seen how that has turned out, she is around and prominent.
I disagree. If they were, we wouldn’t have gone through it twice. And my point remains. The Alliance has been fine with poking the bear throughout this whole situation because of that one article involving Darkshore and how the dev said he felt Tyrande got her revenge. People came to these forums flipping out and losing their minds, night elf fans from left to right saying how this is unjustifiable, turning it into a meme. Now Tyrande’s gonna get her revenge.
Sounds like Tyrande’s the one who needs to be kept in check.
Alright, I’m not going to lie… I feel like this is justified and understandable in comparison to all their other writing that’s gone on for quite some time. In fact I welcome it with open arms as a night elf person.
I’ve seen people be upset - even friends of my own - with blizzard stating that Tyrande is on hold for the moment in regards to her vengeance and for now the nelves have gotten their vengeance. Except, they haven’t. Sure while I think people shouldn’t be upset about blizzard saying she’s gotten her vengeance for now till they pick up the rest of her story, I don’t think that her vengeance is left off just with one Valk. Her killing one of Sylvanas’s Valks was pretty big, sure, but that doesn’t justify everything Sylvanas did to her people and their home that they had to create after one major event.
I don’t think it’s trash that they’re writing a very reasonable reaction after what Tyrande decided to do for her people because of what happened, and because the Alliance were so spread thin that Anduin refused to help.
You admit this, and yet you’re not ok with Tyrande taking vengeance to the people who is at fault for thousands of innocents murdered? Children and families all burnt to death at the hands of the horde, specifically Sylvanas. Yet, the second Blizz decides to write her as a vengeance consumed woman it’s trash?
In my opinion I think that’s actually a very good story thus far, in fact the only worthy story that I’d bother paying attention to this entire expansion even though I didn’t want the burning of Teldrassil to happen in the first place. But since it happened, I’m all for Tyrande becoming consumed with vengeance, especially after the ritual she gladly did without any form of hesitation whatsoever.
Which, also furthers more reason for Tyrande to go awol and start murdering everyone, thus continuing the war… It’s justified, and honestly the writing because of this story isn’t trash just because Tyrande is taking action she sees fit for the countless murdered, and not able to rest peacefully due to Sylvanas and the people going along with her actions.
I also don’t think this is true, in fact I feel like Night elves would’ve been stronger than ever because they’re determined to get justice for their people. Nothing horrible has really happened to them until recently? They’ve been fine after they made Teldrassil and the only thing they’ve really had to deal with is any other major event that every other race has had to deal with? At least to my knowledge. I’d also like to add, that a majority of the night elf lore given to us isn’t mostly something that outright has effected solely the night elves, and usually only just sheds more light on nelf lore. I.E. Azsuna.
Actually, I changed my mind. I hope Tyrande and Malfurion blow up Orgrimmar and commit genocide against the Orcs, including their civilian population. Then they can blow up Stormwind and put human heads on pikes in retribution for Anduin not helping them.
Let the Alliance have the spotlight they crave!
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Evidence is that she is hunting down Sylvanas and Nathanos… so unless she goes after Horde then I don’t think she needs to be kept in check.
The whole premise of MOP and BFA has been about the corrupt Warchiefs needing to be kept in check… we don’t even know if Tyrande is absolutely corrupted by the night warrior… Do we really want a third rehash of this situation because daddy blizzard keeps cycling this story with the horde and now it’s the alliance’s turn?
Did you not see the dialogue option from Anduin? He has no idea what she’s doing, and she’s keeping him on read. Unless you’ve had further dialogue with someone else that hasn’t come out yet to show that Tyrande’s all good and not consumed by vengeance as Anduin suggests, then we know nothing of her intent.
I’d be fine with it. Again, people came to these forums losing their minds after that article with the dev who said Tyrande got her revenge. People flipped out. Now? We know Tyrande’s not done. Sounds like people got what they wanted.
And then you’re slaughtered to the last and without a single person having cared.
huh, that’s weird, didn’t seem to happen to orcs post garrosh
Mostly because the Azeroth orcs deposed their leader, and didn’t go on a violent “lets kill all the Alliance because they raided Orgrimmar!”
I really don’t even think it’d be a rehash though, would it? I mean the difference is pretty major. Garrosh did what he did because he wanted the true horde that he had in his own mind, he threatened people who disagreed with this vision. He was also very racist and shocking pretty major about certain things in regards to honor, though a bit skewed. There is a quest where he finds out something not so cool by an orc and kills him because he viewed it as honorless and disgusting.
Sylvanas has done what she’s done for her own self and to further her people as a result. It’s in her own interest to kill the entire world and raise them in undeath, life means absolutely nothing to her and she thinks people that cling to life after everything she’s seen and experienced are not so brilliant.
Tyrande is doing what she’s doing because she’s witnessed mass genocide of her people, and didn’t get help from her own allies when asking for it because they were too spread thin. She wants to act now? Then let her act now if she sees it’s fit for her people and would rather get her own justice than wait for however long the Alliance see necessary to exact vengeance for what the horde did. Which, seems unlikely thanks to the War Campaign. It’d hardly be the same story rehashed by daddy blizzard.
And no we don’t know if she’s absolutely corrupted, but it’s hinted during the questline that it pretty much kills the person who does the ritual and there’s I believe in the questline only 1 other person to ever undergo the ritual successfully.
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I want my revenge too, it needs to be done without rehashing Garrosh 3.0 alliance version… Her rage is totally justified, but this will get written as horde are the victims (when they are not) if they have her go after horde and Sylvanas indiscriminately… then We have our army of the black moon confronted and killed off by Anduin and horde alike.
I know you are fine with it, but so many people are actually looking forward to the end of this faction war for a long time coming. This would risk more negative sentiment towards blizz, like bfa did… faction war piggy backing a faction war. This also would not be an overarching theme for an expansion, unlike MOP with Garrosh and bfa with Sylvanas. We don’t need another fracture just to have to unite again.
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The only reason they’d write it this way is because the only people who agreed to be buddy buddy are the people the mass genocide didn’t happen to. That’s the only reason, and everyone would know that’s not the case and isn’t the case. It should be known that the only reason that it would get written that way is because alliance and friends got pigeonholed into saying ‘sure we’ll be friends’ even if they may not be ok with that. Take Zandalari for instance… Do you really believe they’d be fine with being buddy buddy with the alliance after they just murdered their beloved king and Talanji’s father? Probably not.
Same goes for Tyrande and her people. Edit: I understand people may have been looking forward to faction war finally ending, but I for one would be pretty bothered if they decided to nix full vengeance after they said her vengeance was going to be continued later, it was just on the back burner for now so they could flesh out other people’s stories… All for the sake of finally ending the faction war… Despite thousands upon thousands of innocents getting murdered because Saurfang decided to go against something he agreed to do in the first place.
What’d you think would happen? The Alliance would get a third character in a leadership position who becomes a demigod through a ritual that has killed everybody else before them, does it with reckless abandon, and she’ll be fine? Of course she’s gonna be vilified. That’s the point!
Edit: To make it perfectly clear, Tyrande said “Screw this”, bailed on a meeting with Anduin, went to Darkshore with an orc head, offered it to Elune, and did a ritual no one has survived before which is said and proven to consume someone in total rage! What? Did you honestly think there’d be no drawback? This sounds like it’s a necessary step, to be honest.
That’s irrelevant. The faction war cannot end. We know this. It never will. Horde vs. Alliance has been a thing for two decades by this point. It’s not gonna stop.
Then tell that to the people who flipped their lids about Tyrande not getting her revenge. Cause those people want this. There was a thread about it earlier saying someone wishes they could just leave the Alliance to follow Tyrande on a murder spree.
Well, that would be a downpayment on the bill that is due…but only that.
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This reckless adandon and murder spree is total headcanon at this point.
Night Elves getting revenge does not have to end with more night elves being slaughtered by both factions… then it would be all for naught. Just like Genns dialogue when you go to call him off, all he cares about is getting Sylvanas. Other night elves post war campaign say that she is chasing Sylvanas and Nathanos like the dogs they are. I am fully expecting that this is how Tyrande gets her vengeance, on Sylvanas and Nathanos. Probabily be a large driving factor behind going after them next Expac. Who knows?
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