Considering what we know now about Blizzard its not much of a surprise they pushed Tyrande under the bus. Can’t have those uppity women think they can lead.
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Well, if thats not condescending, I don’t know what is.
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That characters actually need learn and grow? You do realize Varian, Anduin, Jaina, Moira, heck even Genn of all people had to change and grow.
She continues to refuse to listen to others and keeps jumping into situations that ultimatelys forces people to keep worrying about her/keeps forcing them to try to save her.
Taking risks is not being reckless. Being decisive is not being reckless. If you only make decisions that are 100% guaranteed to work, you haven’t really done much.
Tyrande knew the risks she took- something Maiev acknowledges- but she was decisive and had enough faith that they would work- and guess what? They did. Illidan was a better bet than having Tichondrius destroy all of Felwood and Ashenvale.
Regarding the Alliance/Horde, she decided that based on their previous decisions, and later corrected herself when Medivh intervened. That isn’t reckless, it’s the exact opposite.
You really don’t have a point because you want to argue that Tyrande was imperfect in her planning, but that is not the same as being reckless. Illidan was reckless. Maiev had been reckless. Tyrande was decisive, because she knew and accepted the risks to herself, and changed her plans when necessary (Alliance/Horde, Illidan, Kael’thas).
Just because you take risks doesn’t mean you are automatically reckless. Every big decision comes with a risk.
Was Varian reckless when he allowed Anduin to help him dictate the fate of the Horde? What about Anduin when he charged into Sylvanas’ chamber despite it being a trap and earlier when he decided to stand and fight when outnumbered? If you say no, you are clearly biased and not worth further discussion when you can’t use the same standards.
She knew the meaning of patience, based on the Long Vigil. The writers wrote an idiotic scenario to spit on her experience and her history.
It is exactly the long term scenario that caused her to make decisions discussed earlier- as I said before, there is a risk involved, but the decisions were worth it (atleast in her mind).
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She’s always ready to die, right? So the problem is in those who are worried?
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yeah, self reflection of the human-biased narrative, and bowing to the human overlords aka “The Alliance”
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I will never understand people who defend the Alliance story telling in WoW. neutering the Alliance races for the sake of the most white-bread and basic version of humanity in all of fantasy.
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Never thought I would see fanboys defending a story that was so poorly received that it killed the entire “Trials of the High King” storyline.
Then again there’s a lot of low-key racism in the Humanity first narrative. No wonder suggesting diverse leadership in the Alliance gets so much backblast from the human fanboys who can’t cope with the idea that a non-white male human call the shots for a change.
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Imagine being a human supremist when you’re one of the smallest, weakest, youngest and shortest lived races in the setting lol.
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Imagine making fun of people for their preferences in a fantasy game.
Like who cares? People like what they like. I think all sides on the Alliance (and Horde for that matter) can at the very least agree that the storytelling needs work.
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White supremacists identity a lot with the HFY or human potential narrative. Its like the old “mighty whitey” trope, but with other species conveniently taking the place of non-whites.
Its pretty much established that the Horde is the diverse faction.
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If you know this is a fantasy game, then why are you picking the race that actually exists in real life and has next to none connection to any diverse fantasy trope? Nobody can seriously look at a human and say “Hell yes this will immerse me so much into the fictional world!”
At the end of the day I wouldn’t be a Forsaken main if I didn’t find human lore and history in Azeroth at least somewhat interesting. I found the story of the fall of Lordaeron to be quite compelling storytelling, honestly. So, from the lens of a Forsaken (an undead ex-human I suppose) at the very least, I don’t think human history and lore is boring in WoW. On the contrary I find them quite fascinating!
Thing is, fantasy should be what it claims to be. A fantasy. An escape from reality. From the mundane. So humans in a fantasy setting at all is strange, and likely only exist to be a point of perspective for the player. Regardless if you like humans in fantasy or not, as humans, we naturally identity with humans far more than we would with a race that doesn’t even exist. Because of this, humanity in fantasy tends to be a more idealistic image of humanity. Almost caricatures of human morality. Azeroth is no different.
Keep in mind historical context of Earth humans, and think how they would respond to the Orcish Horde. To defeat Carthage, Rome mobilized the entire male population, including landless peasants and slaves. Even saying the word “peace” was forbidden in Rome as well as mourning in public. They burned Carthage to the ground, enslaved the entire population, and supposedly salted the earth so nothing would grow (Allegedly).
To be honest, that is just one example of how intense humans can be, and imo, it is not even the most heinous of examples, and far from the most recent. Hell, look back just 100 years and count the number of genocides world wide, then tell me, that Earth’s humanity would treated the orcs half as well as Azeroth’s humans after the war. I am not convinced.
The fantasy of humanity in most fantasy settings is that they are the idealistic vision of humanity, not actual humans themselves. Frankly, I think that is a bit boring.
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I agree for the most part but Stormwind is a snooze.
It irked me for a bit, but then I chalked the limited human options up to data technicalities. In the end I don’t think having those options would have swayed me to choose humans.
Stormwind humans are a complete and utter bore.
Speaking of that isn’t Anduin suppose to be black?
Varian is supposed to be half black and Anduin is supposed to be what we call a “quadroon”.
In an alternate universe where WoW was written with more competence, we could’ve had a Varian that looks like this:
and an Anduin that looks like this maybe
(Cameron Boyce RIP)
but you know, White Male Gaze world building
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You are literally making Erevien sound more sane and smarter than yourself.
That is a big feat. Idk why you are doing this but…
Please stop being a racist.
I don’t think the lore even really specifies much about Varian’s mum. She was black in a non canon movie.
Not that it much matters, as in WoW lore black and white humans are literally the exact same people with the exact same culture.
Yup, that piece of lore was introduced via the movies, but in terms of Game Canon we actually haven’t seen or been described Varian’s mom
So Varian being half black is still possible canon and would just be carrying over a lore choice into the game.
For sure, and it would even be a cool idea, but I’m just saying that there’s nothing currently in canon that suggests Anduin “should be” black. Anduin has always been presented, for better or worse, as a blonde haired white boy.
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