If you are playing an underdog faction… don’t be surprised you are the underdog faction and you are punching above your weight class. That was the whole appeal of the Horde that alone they will die but together they will survive.
Nothing stops this from happening so I don’t get why you mention this. The Alliance narratively could have ended the Horde three times now but they haven’t because they are the “Good Guys”.
And thats just bad writing because there are plenty of ways for an underdog faction to punch above their weight. Starwars being an obvious example. Again the problem is not who is stronger its the fact that Zarrin is blaming the players and their “expectations” I don’t really care about all this “My dad can beat up your dad” debate.
1) The problem is not the players. 2) Respect the lore you set up 3) Actually deliver if you are going to make a certain portion of your players play the victim role for the 5th time.
The whole appeal was that thralls horde were the good guys trying to make a new way of life for themselves. It’s what drew many people to the faction to begin with
they were and still are the underdogs and that they needed to be united to survive.
In Warcraft 3 each Horde race was on the brink of extinction before joining the Horde.
But again the issue is not this faction power balance issue.
The Horde by all accounts is the greatest military force in the universe, by Zarrin’s logic they deserve couple of genocides to bring them on par to the other faction.
I think y’all assume malicious intent where there was none. Just an attempt to make sense of what was obviously a very bad and very badly thought-through story.
Thats just a disclaimer.
Like, “I don’t want to be an Ahole BUT…”
He said what he did and I quoted it.
If you write one line about how bad BFA/Shadowlands were but multiple posts + paragraphs on how the problem are the players. I don’t think it takes a genius to see where Zarrin was coming from.
I don’t think he said that though. The problem are not the players, or their expectations because those expectations don’t come out of nowhere. They were built up by the writers. So of course, if the writers have that one race that spent thousands of years guarding their home turf and being masters of it, and then suddenly they aren’t anymore because the plot demands it, then this is obviously dumb and bad storytelling.
There should be no Underdog faction. It is unfair that being the big guy is soly placed on the alliance while the Horde is being ignored during the improtant cosmic lore stuff. I am sick and tired of being forced to get quests from Khadgar, Velen, Tyrande, Malfurion, Turalyon and Alleria. Legion was a fallout. It turned the Horde into a joke and solidified the “alliance is always right” trope. It needs to end. The Horde community needs to stick together and tell Blizzard “NO we will take this no more! Make us equal to the alliance or we will leave your game and stop giving you money!” that is the only reasonable response Blizzard should get from now on.
No, the portal connecting Azeroth to Argus is closed. There’s no way for them to return. Hence why when you look up at the sky now you don’t see Argus floating up there, but just a shiny red dot where the portal was.
We can still go there as players because Blizzard doesn’t want to take a massive chunk of content from the hands of the playerbase, but in lore Argus is cut off and we’ve left it behind, along with all the tech that remained on it and sadly any of the Broken who survived and did not board the Vindicaar before we entered Antorus and dealt with Argus the Unmaker and Sargeras.
And lore within the Argus patch confirms that Lightforged tech runs off of Argunite.
Some believe that these souls sacrificed themselves permanently to create the seed. I again, hope that’s not the case. The Night Elves’ new home shouldn’t come at the cost of permadeath.
Remember those Caverns of Time dungeons where we had to go back in time to help a bad guy do something evil because not doing so would cause an even worse fate? Are we gonna have one of those for the Burning of Teldrassil too? “Help Sylvanas burn the Night Elves alive, or the timeline is ruined!”
Much like we’re inferring that they have no argunite, which is never said, I’m inferring that they teleported them there because they had that capability previously. There’s nothing saying either way that they warped them in or transported all of their troops and heavy ordinance conventionally.
Also I really don’t know where you’re getting the argunite thing, you’ll have to reference something specifically that they need it, because the Vindicaar is a Draenei ship and it had to have been launched without argunite. The gun I’ll give you, because that was grafted on from the previous ship. Where are we getting that rapid deployment and just flying the ship requires argunite?
When the NPCs spawned in they teleported and they used the Mech suits.
Clearly the spaceship is operational, i feel like you are imagining lore to explain things Blizzard never bothered to explain.
I never said they don’t have any argunite. What I said was that lightforged tech requires argunite to function and it’s not a resource they have access to anymore as there isn’t any on Azeroth. Argunite is a resource that is unique to Argus. The Lightforged have you scavenge it during quests on Argus to make sure their tech can still be powered.
No Argus, no more argunite to scavenge, meaning that what they’ve got is all they’ve got, at least until they manage to retrofit their tech to use Arkonite instead. Arkonite is what powers Draenei technology, it was originally created by Exarch Hataaru to replace Argunite. However, just like Argunite, Arkonite supplies are low on Azeroth because the crystals used to create Arkonite come from Draenor, which yeah, not exactly a place they can get Arkonite from anymore. In fact it took until the Legion invasions for the Draenei to get enough Arkonite to get their defense pylons back online.
It is possible that they could synthesize another crystal on Azeroth to power their devices, but I’m not entirely sure if they have the knowledge to do so anymore with Hataaru dead in both the Main Universe and Alternate Universe. Although who knows, maybe it is possible. Either way, the argunite the Lightforged Draenei have available is limited now so they have to be careful with how its used.
I remember reading that on the Exodar they are now mining Arkonite in the caverns there. Apparently they are able to regrow Arkonite with the native rocks of Azure Myst and that means that Draenei were able to rebuild their tech. We see this in the Legion invasion of the Exodar and later in BFA and the defense of Drustvar.
Apparently it is, because they were able to build the Vindicaar and the Vindicaar was capable of launching into space. This is before the LFD took it over. So I don’t think that the Vindicaar requires a very specific material from Argus to pilot.
Also, could you please source where you’re getting this argunite thing from? Because this is the first I’m ever hearing that LFD have to be careful about how they use their technology because of argunite restrictions.