But they did though…
… As explained in the discussion earlier, they did… You can literally slaughter civilians during the quest. On Alliance side, you find slaughtered civilians in Astranaar, the very place where you can kill innocents…
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You can, but you are specifically ordered not to, it does nothing to advance the quest, and choosing to do so is basically like taking the unofficial Loyalist route.
Also the bodies found in Astranaar are likely not actually civilians.
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Except it is the only thing consistent Horde and Alliance side.
LOL, oh okay… Sure. Except they are…
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Targeting civillians in warfare is a perfectly legitimate tactic iff it serves a military purpose. In this case it was to keep the attacks in Ashenvale under a cloak of silence for as long as possible.
This means… no witnesses get out.
No doubt a fair amount of animus and payback was involved, just as payback was involved in some of the ways the Sentinels killed the Forsaken they caught later on.
… What? No it isn’t…
Are you nuts?
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It’s consistent that some Civilians died.
That the Horde champion killed them is not consistent. In fact, the civilians killed are called out as looking like they were killed by Sylvanas’ personal retinue, not the Horde Champion.
Except for where it’s explicitly said they aren’t.
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Dresden, Hiroshima, Tokyo, Nagasaki… these are all targets where the intentional result was the mass slaughter of civilians. That’s the definition of total war.
When the Alliance and Horde decided to really go at each other, they don’t play pattycake.
Which is beside the point as the Horde champion was told not to kill civilians at Darkshore and did not do so, even if other soldiers did (against Saurfang’s orders) and might have in some alternate universe.
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And we know from the Horde side that the PC is the one to do it in that instance…
… You mean, where it never says that? You mean the burning home with the sick child inside it? She was clearly such a threat.
All those of those are considered atrocities…
BUT THEY DID!
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Actually the Horde Champion was told that they could choose their targets and it was recommended that they not be civillian. My warlock did choose a couple of civvies at Astranaar and Logrash’s reaction was … interesting.
They counted for the quest though.
And yet you are being praised by that blood elf rogue when you choose to do so, and as mentioned, on the alliance side it’s canon that those civilians were killed.
The Alliance wanted to make peace with the horde while the Horde wanted to exterminate every single alliance member, civilian or not. Even when the alliance striked back (if you can even call it that), they didn’t kill any civilians
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There were quite a few elements even with in the old Alliance that wanted to extermiate the Orcs rather than imprison them. The Alliance policy with the Forsaken was from the start Kill On Sight. And there was Garithos’ attempt to purposely drive the blood elves into extinction.
I did the quests on several characters. None of my characters killed any civilians. None of them were ever ordered to kill civilians at Darkshore.
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Did you do it Alliance side to see civilians killed… Civilians the Horde PC had the option to kill? It doesn’t matter what you chose to do, the canon is what is consistent between both factions. Civilians were killed by the Horde PC.
Saurfang tells you to usher civilians to safety. If you do kill them, Logrash is pleased. It’s implied that he and many other soldiers not only killed civilians, but reveled in it. Failing to stand up to them is one of the Horde champion’s failures.
But acting as if the Horde champion was directed to do these things and personally carried them out is another thing.
My Blood Elf chose to because she hates Night Elves that much. (Sentinels killed her quite a few times while she was questing in Quel’thelas)
When you do so the first time Logrash (the guy from “A Good War” ) gives you that look which is a mixture of a mixture of astonishment and his acknowledgement that you’re as cold a fish as he is.
Those civilians were not killed by the Horde champion when I played them. My Horde champion failed to stand up against their cohorts in battle upon learning about these terrible things, but did not personally carry them out and was not ordered to carry them out.
Then your Blood Elf will face the souls of those Night Elf civilians they slew, just as they’ll have to face whatever (if any) consequences come with taking the Loyalist route. But your Blood Elf is clearly not following the spirit or even the wording of the quest(s) as given in game and doing what amounts to an alternative universe run.