Yeah, yeah. I can just see it now, Blizz does craft a good revenge story for Tyrande(unlikely) against the horde and hordies go nuts for years over it.
Whats your point, OP?
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No we dont, the only from of retribution we need is sylvanas dead, I DONT WANT THE FORSAKEN STORY OR THE GARROSH STORY for the alliance
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Donât worry, Tyrande wont get the Garrosh treatment because that would require Blizzard writing Tyrande as competent.
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How on amanâthuls green earth do they feel like tyrande had her moment in the sun? (Or in this case moon huehuehue)
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Personally Iâd rather not have the story include the Horde at all. The Gilneans and Night Elves have suffered horribly, and they deserve an amazing story that is based on them and their own pride, not a story that depends on the actions of the Horde.
Have the Gilneans/Elves claim a new home, and take back their heritage and culture. That would be epic. It doesnât need to include the scummy Forsaken or Orcs who have only ever been aggressors.
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No this is definitely part of the outrage but I agree with everything else you said.
Had the Kaldorei gotten some kind of revenge or justice the loss of Teldrassil wouldnât be so profound but it is becuase itâs compounded by the fact that Blizz has refused to properly address it or give us any sense of clouser. They decided to shift focus to Saurfang and his redemption instead of answering for his part in the massacre, all to preserve Sylvanas. Itâs infuriating.
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Because Blizzard doesnât employ a grounded approach to story telling in any manner.
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This is accurate. A lot of the frustration Iâve seen is a result of Blizzard showing the response to Teldrassil through the Hordeâs eyes. It wasnât a Horde moment alone, but thatâs how it was exhibited.
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I dont want nelf calia to tell us we are wrong, I dont want elune to empower another race cause nelves are evil, I dont want or need the forsaken story for the alliance, the horde was just fixed, lets not break the alliance for drama, nelves have a home, its called kalimdor and we are rebuilding it as 8.3, Heres something shocking why dont we just break the cycle like saurfang died for, so we never have to deal with a dumb horde alliance war story ever again.
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Because thatâs not a satisfying conclusion for many players, for starters? Thatâd be like ending Star Wars with episode 5 and telling fans âarenât you happy with the ending of the Saga?â
Also, like i said above, the conclusion doesnât need to, and shouldnât involve the Horde. If the Night Elves never want to see the face of another Horde character ever again they are entirely justified in that, and are entitled to such from a lore perspective. Will it happen? No. But to state that they should just forget it and move on is just an unfortunate and disappointing suggestion.
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Undead absolutely did not lose as much as NE lol
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The outrage ought to come from the fact that the writers decided an entire city of elvish druids, priests, and mages, living on a tree in the ocean, apparently donât know that water can out out fire.
I mean this is something that even the wolvar, the freaking âletâs poke gorillas with sticks oh no why are they mad now?â WOLVAR have figured out, but apparently, the Night Elves are so dim that they will stand next to any of the many, many, many, MANY streams and ponds within teldrassil, burning to death and lamenting their inability to solve the problem.
I mean thatâs not YOUR fault and truth is, itâs really not the Hordeâs - i have to imagine that everyone was surprised by a water-soaked living magical tree the size of a large mountain filled with magical nature-magic-having beings just going up in flames like polyester underwear.
No, itâs the writersâ fault. They wanted something dramatic, something punctuating, and instead of settling for a nice stable 7, they cranked that dial all the way up to 35, and decided the Darnassians were too busy dancing on mailboxes to do anything about the situation at hand.
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Sorry a race being curb stomped from day 1 and people upset at it bothers you.
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Saurfangâs story should have been Tyrandeâs. She should have been captured by the Horde as she was defending Teldrassil. She should have been freed by a guilty Saurfang⌠She should have traveled to Azuna to find Maiev, where they mend old grudges and unite against a common cause. Then you have the Terror of Darkshore stuff, with Nathanos either dying or at least the death of 2 Valâkyre and an explicit notion that he barely escaped with his life. Delaryn and Sira should of been Mind Controlled in a similar way Sylvanas tried to do with Derek, instead of the âWillingly raisedâ BS.
You still have Baine doing what he did, you still have Saurfang do what he did, you still have Jaina do what she did⌠But you have The Army of the Black Moon win in Darkshore, and Join the Alliance and rebelling Horde outside the Gates of Ogrimmar for the confrontation of Sylvanas.
You still have Genn and Tyrande voice their reluctance to trust the Horde after Sylvanasâ retreat, but at least this gives Tyrande a reason too⌠Saurfang freeing her from imprisonment at least gives her some shred of reason why she would at least hold back until Sylvanas is foundâŚ
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I donât really know that itâs fair to say that this is a blanket statement for every Night Elf player, but Iâll respond to each of your points.
She does, yeah.
I donât think heâs wrong, but I can see where critical people are coming from. Nobody has lost more in this war than the Kaldorei, and from most every way you look at it, the Horde was pretty complacent in everything. So it doesnât really work to just make Sylvanas a scapegoat for everything - at best, you can pin most of it on her.
However, constant war leads to constant death and exhaustion of resources, so stopping the war at some point is a good thing. Eventually, you gotta de-escalate. Better reparations are made bloodlessly than violently.
See above. I can agree that Sylvanas has to go though.
People arenât exempt from being wrong just because they want revenge, not at all. But in this case, itâd be kinda gross to say that Tyrande is wrong for being angry over what was literally an unprovoked genocide of her innocent people. How she goes about it is a different story, but saying sheâs wrong for wanting justice is like saying the Forsaken should have just quietly accepted what Arthas did to them because itâd be wrong to want to avenge themselves.
I havenât seen as many people claim this, so I think this is confirmation bias. Shandris, meanwhile, offers some good variety to the Kaldorei mindset - wanting justice, but not unrestrained violence. The great thing about Tyrandeâs interactions with Anduin and Shandris is that in both arguments, none of the characters are really wrong. All of them make good points, and none of them are really incorrect about the things they seek.
Not even close, how can you actually say that and believe it?
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This would have been a much better way to approach it.
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Reparations will not be made though. Calling it now. Blizzard doesnât write follow up.
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*They arenât any good at storytelling to begin with, but think they are exceptional at it.
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Thatâs a whole different problem. Right now weâre at the start of what could be a couple things. If we go forward from here with the intention to repay the Kaldorei for what happened at Teldrassil (difficult as that may be), great. If we go forward from here and nobody makes any kind of effort whatsoever to make up for literal genocide, then we have a problem. That would mean that a lot of the fears of the Night Elf players OP is describing are 100% valid.
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Blizzard has strong big picture ideas, but fumbles the execution.
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