Or the Tauren and Night Elves can just agree to share Stonetalon and Feralas peacefully without divisions.
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I noticed that trend months ago, itās almost always some NE player whining that Tyrande is getting shafter and REEāing for vengeance for Teldrassil or that Blizzard hates Night elves.
Youāre cringy as all hell.
Possible, I had actually thought there need to be an exception in Stonetalon as it is sacred land for the Tauren too. however, I would like to leave room open in Feralas in particular if they ever decided to rebuild the ruins down there for the Kaldorei. As unlikely as that is to occur.
Iām not a fan of Dire Maul. The uninstanced portion of it on the actual world map is literally a hole in the ground.
Anyone who still cares about (or plays) WoW is pretty cringe tbqhwyf
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If you want to go back in and time and do the whole deposing Sylvanas bit without the assistance of Saurfang, Iām game to see how that might turn out.
There are more ways to make up for wrongdoing than being executed or jailed for it. Saurfang willingly sacrificed himself, the Horde are reforming themselves to remove the risk that comes from the abuse a malicious Warchief can wield (which all but guarantees that another Teldrassil wonāt happen since no one person in the Horde can command as much power anymore), and are helping to save the world as we speak. Again.
Feel free to hold onto your unrealistic expectations that the rest of the āself-serving Hordeā deserves Saurfangās same fate. Iām certain that holding onto the demand that Blizzard deleteās half of its playerbase wonāt lead to an ever increasing amount of disappointment.
Yes, they only did it because she hurt their feelings.
Why even bother pretending youāre following the lore when you plainly substitute in your own head-canon? Clearly the Horde had many other concerns besides whether or not Sylvanas offends them.
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Itās not a headcanonā¦ Lorāthemar said that Sylvanas had the support of the people which is why it was a bit problematic to just start a rebellion against her.
Outside of Saurfang, Baine, and the other leaders and the few that followed them there werenāt many against her. Remember in the cinematic between Anduin and Saurfang when Anduin is like, āThere are so fewā¦ā Yeah thatās because the majority of the Horde supported Sylvanas until she was mean and called them nothing.
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This acts as though the Alliance doesnāt have its share of reprehensible stuff either. The Horde is often the faction that gets villain batted with Warchiefs that go beyond the pale, sure, and that has been especially true this expansion, with the darkest moment of the Horde Alliance conflict at the very outset. But when has the Alliance apologized for the Night Elves shooting first at Gromās party, the Stormpikes intruding and trying to force out the Frostwolves from the valley they peacefully resided in without partaking in the Old Hordeās genocidal campaigns, or Varian attacking the Undercity and then trying to kill the leadership? Has the Horde needed to get over those?
The cycle on the Hordeās part could be considered somewhat broken by the Warchief position being abolished. But Iām going to guess that it might continue thanks to some prodding by one party in particular who wants vengeance. -looks at Tyrande-
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Oh , of course not Dire maul, I meant the ruins of Isildien to the south. That is a fairly substantial ruin that could be remade into a pretty cool city if they ever wanted to do that.
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Sylvanas calling the Horde ānothingā was not simply insulting them, and it is grossly misleading to characterize it that way. Itās a confession that she was always using them for her own ends, not the Hordeās. Itās a confession that she was never on their side.
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To the person(s) that keeps saying that night elf players and making it seem like it is all of us, stop lumping us all together. U donāt like it being done to u but when it is reflected back on u, u get irate about it.
ALL the races of Azeroth and other worlds have been done wrong by the poor writing of Blizz people. This is what we need to take into account and not just focus on our own favorite race(mine being the ever exalted night elves. HA! gotcha lol)
What should have been done, and can still possibly be done, is rotate the stories, taking 3 races at a time, so as all can be covered.
I just started playing last year and fell in love with it when I first started out as night elf. I let go and gave up all other games for WoW. Those of you that have been playing a lot longer than me, u have lost the sight of seeing the graphical beauty of World of Warcraft and your vision became tunneled.
That being said, if Blizzard actually makes Tyranda look bad in their writing, I will stay to play but not sure how long. And if they continue to downplay all the genicidal crap that they wrote, I will no longer give my endorsement of WoW.
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Yes, we agree on this. Thatās something we the players have known since Vanilla. But that still doesnāt change the fact that they supported her up until she was āmean to themā, in this case her admitting she didnāt care about them.
That still doesnāt change the fact that they were fine with her actions prior to thatā¦ whether she cared about the Horde or not they were fine with her committing genocide.
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This is some whataboutism to try to look away from the Hordeās potentially getting away with reprehensible actions without having to address it.
You are correct, the Night Elves were wrong to attack the Orcs and Humans without talking to them, and should have at least apologized for it. But you know who actually got over it for the sake of peace? Amusingly, the Alliance, again, who allied with the Night Elves and has never brought up the Night Elves attacking them because of the lumber ever again.
But you are intentionally misguiding the conversation away from what the Horde did with the War of the Thorns and what Sylvanasā loyalists did in burning Teldrassil as if it shouldnāt be addressed.
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I remember that feeling. I feel in love with tube forests of Teldrassil immediately. I started in 07 but it was just so different back then. Darkshore was still gloomy but interesting and Ashenvale was just beautiful. Nowā¦
I think she meant in BfA but I see your point.
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I disagree with the characterization of it being āwhataboutismā, because its generally one sided. Players point to the Horde and act as if the two factions finally stopping at taking shots at one another only benefits the Horde. You see the attempts at breaking the cycle of conflict where retaliation merits retaliation characterized as being the weak link, and a lot of people against āletting the Horde get away with reprehensible actsā are really only interested in getting the last shot in without getting hit back.
No. They. Werenāt.
Even as far back as A Good Warā¦
Silence fell over the Horde. Even the cries of the captured night elves vanished. Everyone watched in disbelief
That is the description of when Teldrassil caught fire. Thatās not the description of a ringing endorsement. Even when Garrosh bombed Theramore, it drew cheers from a crowd of Horde warriors eager for a victory against the Alliance in the middle of a war.
Saurfang pondered suicide by Alliance. An orc warrior and his son speak grimly of it. This was the beginning of actual dissent, and anyone who says that it only happened when the Hordeās āfeelings were hurtā are either missing the narrative, or misreading it for cheap forum points.
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The Alliance has not been a threat of the Horde during this way because of what you yourself have pointed out:
The end of the war without the Horde or the Alliance facing any consequences for their actions during it is mostly one sided indeed. In the Hordeās favor.
No different from yourself wanting the Horde to have gotten the last shots in and not wanting the Horde to get hit back for it just because Sylvanas was evil all along.
- Deathstalker Commander Belmont says: Your tree... was just the beginning.
Blizzard has the Horde defile the dead at Darkshore and blight the land that the Horde wrongfully tried to steal and keep. Blizzard doubled down on the Hordeās sins with a warfront framed by the charred husk of Teldrassil as a skybox.
Orcs, Trolls, and Blood Elves along with the Forsaken and Goblins all continue to support the Horde forces at Darkshore while basking under a monument to Hordeās depravity there at.
On top of everything listed above, this is how the Horde is presented in the Alliance introduction to the Darkshore Warfront, using prisoners at Darkshore as target practice:
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If Blizz just came out and said āthe Horde forces remaining in Darkshore were all Sylvanas loyalists, the rest of the Horde hated what had happened, left, and didnāt know this sort of thing was going onā and then let the night elves go rout those loyalists out of Darkshore and Ashenvale, then thatād be a good start.
Itās a scenario where I would normally have said that Blizzard was trying to sweep Horde participation under the rug. But what they have datamined so far is somehow even much worse than that.
I donāt think the Alliance needs to be written to stomp all over the Horde player. But there needs to be some story resolution over this.
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I wish there were closure in the affected races in this expansion. Everything feels forced to the point you can see the scotch tape
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BfAās plot is entirely built on overreaching (particularly the catapults), but at least thereās an excuse for this.
Remember, the Hordeās assault on Teldrassil relied on the bulk of the Night Elf military being sent off to Silithus, so that they could get to the tree relatively unimpeded. Teldrassil only had civillians. The Night Elf army likely suffered way less casualties, proportionally. Throw in the Gilneans, too, and the Horde being mostly focused with Zandalar and Kul Tiras andā¦
Not sure why Iām thinking this through when this is BfA weāre talking about.
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