What has substantively changed since November that would make you think Blizzard would have rewritten the entire storyline when the Sylvanas raid launches in a month?
This is not a real argument, you’re only arguing with me because you think Ion means that they want to redeem Sylvanas and if enough people whine about it on the Story Forum or threaten to cancel their subscriptions that maybe they’ll change their mind.
But that’s exactly Ion’s point.
And for all you know he meant they are going to continue on to kill her off as an irredeemable villain.
Are we talking about AU Grom? Because I’m not so convinced his story was so much “changed”, as it was Blizz essentially gutting the entire center point of his story. Just like Yrels. When they gut an entire section of that expac from the game. Because AU Grom’s “Draenor is Free” makes a little more sense in the confines of the character portrayed within the Hellscream short story. A guy, who while definitely savage, was genuinely trying to look out for his own people’s well being; and his own son took on the role of his KJ (which Grom was Ner’zhul’d). It feels like Blizz just jumping to the preplanned ending for him, and like with Voss in her current Forsaken leadership role … skipped a lot of the middle buildup.
I mean, had you asked me back in MoP whether Voss had the capacity to be built into A Forsaken Lead, I would have said yes. She does thematically represent both the dogma of Forsaken Free Will AND the Forsaken Experience very well; even if both of those led her away from the Forsaken until now. Hell, technically since Sylvanas never was really bound by Forsaken “Free Will” (as whether a tool has will or not is irrelevant), and she was never “Forsaken” (neither her Family or her Race rejected her for what she is; just her own garbage behavior afterwards) … Voss conceptually outpaces even Sylvie on both those fronts.
The issue is … there wasn’t the development needed to get Voss from her conclusion of MoP to her current status at the end of BfA. She could still get that development, and I conceptually like her in such a role, but even I’ll admit its forced. I just hope Blizz drops this whole “steward of Gondor” nonsense and just invests in her.
Absolutely they did. Like even his WoD incarnation was supposed to be (far beyond any of the other Warlords) far more nuanced. But because so much of the story was stripped from that expac, AU Grom REALLY suffered the consequences of it. As did Yrel.
In the sense of coming to the story forums to whine about backlashes and mass threatening to cancel subscriptions and Ion, the Game Director, saying “we know there is going to be a backlash and people will be angry no matter what we do, so we’re just going to stick with the plan” I see that as very meaningful.
Far be it from me to stop people on the forums from fruitlessly whining, it’s actually quite an enjoyable read on some days.
Note that the Forsaken “Identity” also encompasses people who just don’t have families, loved ones, or lives to return to. But there is at least some wiggle room for most Forsaken since Sylvanas did convince them they were “Forsook”. And despite your twisted interpretation of the results of the Gathering (where ONLY two families in dozens hit it off), it is true that for most who still had loved ones … they would be rejected.
Yes but in this reality we are going by what Christie actually wrote about the Gathering, not what Alliance fans read she wrote on the forums whining about how evil Sylvanas is.
Your super agenda’d reception of it was never canon.
If anything, BtS does reinforces that for those lucky enough to even have living loved ones left … it is a rarity for them to accept an Undead back so readily. But you ignore not only the difficulties Anduin found in even scrounging up volunteers; Humanities reasons for why that was so difficult; those who were rejected immediately upon their loved ones seeing them across the field; and those who met up with their loved ones only for both sides to realize they had very little in common left. To push your bizarre Humanity agenda.
I read the book. It said that there is a significant portion of the Forsaken that would defect to the Alliance given the chance. Horde players have been coping ever since and trying to spin the Gathering as though it was an abysmal failure.
Because it seems that most Horde fans interest is in keeping the Forsaken sad, isolated, and miserable so that they keep on wearing red and enabling Horde imperialism. They smugly post on the forums that the Forsaken are the true inheritors of Lordaeron but refuse to allow them to actually explore that identity in ways that don’t further the Horde’s geopolitical interests, because that’s all they are to the Horde. Game pieces and political props.
Miserable and Horde will always be better for the Forsaken than happy and Alliance if the Horde gets its way.
It’s been nearly 17 years since the forsaken allied with the Horde and we still haven’t had a single instance of an orc giving any of them crap for the internment camps.
That’s because the Forsaken don’t figure into the Horde’s frame of reference beyond “dudes who color the Northern Eastern Kingdoms red on maps that we can use to hurt the Alliance.”
Apparently nobody from the Kalimdor Horde even bothered to visit Undercity until WotLK.
This has actually disappointed me a bit. It’s like an exposition beat is right there, too. Maybe some of the older depressed orcs feel like they deserved it in some way. I’d like to imagine that some of the forsaken might feel more empathetic than before because now they’ve also experienced what it’s like to have gone through a form of evil compulsion, and being looked at as a monster because of it.
I think you could have a neat bonding-through-shared-trauma moment. At best I think it’s only implied due to them allying with each other, which is better than nothing at least, but I’d like something more explicit. And I think it’d make the fact that the horde still hasn’t abandoned the forsaken feel more impactful because the orcs have already been there and done that.
I mean, they kinda already went through that at the very start of their creation, by being forced to serve the scourge and murder their friends and families, to at last break free from the control and being viewed as monsters by the last survivors.
Yeah, that’s what I was referring to.
I just would have liked the comparison brought up between that and the demon blood that the orcs subjected themselves too, even if only in a metaphorical way. I’m imagining it to be a sort of somber, but kinda heartwarming moment where a forsaken is like “I get it now” and maybe the orc sympathizes because he knows that kind of guilt and isolation.
