New Sylvanas novel available for preorder

Or… what if somehow Sylvanas is turned back from undeath into a living High Elf and her sisters who are so happy to have their sister back welcome her into the Alliance with open arms?

Surely a wholesome story of redemption, sacrifice and a family reuniting takes priority over something like genocide. :smirk:

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I disagree. I can tell you right now I will most likely enjoy it because it is Warcraft related but I will be irritated by the style of the author.

Before the Storm and Warcrimes were a bit of a chore, but I had some mild enjoyment just because it was Warcraft related and I enjoy the franchise. However, the style, tone, dialogue, and characters were ridiculously hollow. I almost thought all WoW stories would be just lame narrative pieces that I read more just to learn lore than to enjoy a good read.

Roux and Shadows Rising reawakened my ability to enjoy the lore and story. I hope Golden learns a thing or two. I am excited to read it, but disappointed they selected Golden based on her previous work. Not for what ever reasons you are conjuring up.

I also disagree about the Character. She is practically keeping this dead horse of a game crawling about with her mastery over death, and her appeal to fans. She hardly ruined the Franchise. Jaina, Anduin, Sylvanas, and Thrall all have their fanbases and detractors. None of them single handedly ruin the franchise, but they all have pretty lame aspects that bring it down when they become the focus.

:laughing:

yup, all signs point to Syl and the Jailer winning, or more accurately, Syl winning through the jailer before she pushes him off a cliff.

it’s clear by the writing of the blurb that she’s at the very least going to be ‘transformed’ you don’t have to see that as a redemption, but this isn’t the first time Sylvanas has evolved or changed as a character, so it’s not as final as you want it to be.

The writers of the books have very strict guidelines on what to include in the book. For example, Flynn x Shaw is one of the things that was confirmed to be one of them she got from higher-ups at blizzard.

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I’m not sure what you’re arguing here, nothing of this is related to about Roux being the one that made them a couple which you said earlier. I answered and said this was not the case and that it came from Blizzard that told her to include it in the book.

In Roux interview with Nobbel she mentions that the Flynn/Shaw thing came straight from the top of Blizzard.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/nobbel87-lore-interview-with-shadows-rising-author-madeleine-roux-316937?page=3

Within this book, Sylvie’s perspective on the choice to burn Teld:

Delaryn, the Screaming Pineapple Cat: “YOU CAN’T BURN THAT GIANT BROCCOLI!!!

Sylvanas: “Can’t I?”

Delaryn, the Screaming Pineapple Cat: “NOOOPE! IS LITERALLY UNBURNABLE!! PS YOU SUCK!

Sylvanas: “Burn it…”

Delaryn, the Screaming Pineapple Cat: “CAN’T DO IT! CAN’T! CANNOT! NEVER! CAN’T, CAN’T, CAN’T, CAN’T…

Sylvanas: “BURN IT!!!

…I am very tired lol! :smiley:

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Your comment led to me finding out that Michael Stackpole wrote a book in the Warcraft universe. I can’t comment on the particular book (Vol’jin) but I’ve read some of his Star Wars books and he’s a pretty solid author.

It’s not a completely fair comparison, but Stackpole wrote the first half of the X-Wing series (one of the my favorite EU series). He also wrote the forgettable New Jedi Order Dark Tide duology (though in fairness, most of the New Jedi Order series blurred together). Golden’s entries were in the Fate of the Jedi series (not the finest work but not terrible) and Dark Disciple (which was enjoyable, though in more of a knowingly trashy enjoyment - which is fine for me at times).

He’s more than a bit guilty of focusing on his self-insert (Corran Horn) though in fairness more than half his books were supposed to be about him so I can’t fault him too much for that. She is guilty of elevating somewhat “secondary” female characters in a story to become very prominent, but I don’t think they stopped the story from being about the “primary” protagonist.

She did love to portray Vestara Khai and Asajj Ventress. In fact, I just realized both of those characters had some similarities. They were both Sith-ish, but not from the Darth Bane Rule of Two Sith (Sidious, don’t ask). Khai came from a time-travelling spaceship (don’t ask) and Ventress was mostly Dooku’s assassin (and not privy to the fact that she was a pawn). At the time of the book Ventress was actually against Dooku in fact.

Thinking about it more, they both had some level of romantic relationships with Jedi. Ventress reluctantly helped Quinlan Vos, a Jedi Master, on a mission to assassinate Count Dooku. In the process, she taught him about the dark side of the force, they fell in love, he tried to assassinate Dooku and fell to the Dark Side and then she died saving him which redeemed him. Khai fell in love with Ben Skywalker (don’t ask) and even tried a bit regarding becoming a Jedi, though ultimately she didn’t think she could become a Jedi ever because her feelings for him had her default to her Sith ways. Under torture she gave up the secret identity of the prophesied Jedi Queen Allana Solo (don’t ask) and she thought Ben would never forgive her and fled.

Women who are more on the “bad” side of the spectrum. Men who are more on the “good” side. One of them the heir of a great lineage of leaders in “goodness.” Both turning a bit more toward the other side and trying to save each other. Falling in love.

Oh.

Oh my.

Well then.

Color me shocked if there isn’t a lot of “Wrynnrunner.”

As a side note, without any knowledge of the actual content of the book, I expect it will be an attempt to:

  1. Fill in holes that are left in the game - (the last decade of time Sylvanas has been working for the Jailer)
  2. Retcon a bunch of inconsistencies - (some of the times when her inner monologue doesn’t match her words, actions, or the currently portrayed story goal)
  3. Insert an inner monologue to tie her other choices to her greater agenda - (she need to make more prime Val’kyr and raise more undead because … more war … something something … souls)
  4. Offer a somewhat relatable/understandable/rational narrative to apply some form of consistency in her actions to show how/why she went from “point A” to “point B” (R-G to vengeful banshee queen to minion of the person who made the person she wanted vengeance from)

I don’t know the way she’ll be portrayed overall (villain, victim, mastermind, somewhere in between) and a lot of people will still see her the same regardless. I hope they don’t aim for changing minds because I figure the likely consumers of the book will already have their opinion set. But it’s pretty awful that the only way to get these types of answers are likely coming from a book outside of the game.

I’m also definitely worried that this might mean the whole “we’ll learn more about Sylvanas’ motivations in 9.1” will be a huge let down and if 9.1 is a July release, then why not 9.2 in November? Right around the book release date.

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I think FFXIV has shown there’s still a lot of room for WoW to be better beyond just the format.

If some of the Sylvanas fans get there way. Still hoping it won’t be a full attempt at the Illidan treatment.

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I expect a healthy dose of white washing concerning Sylvanas. It’s just depends on how far down the Genocide is Good if your a traumatized hot elf rabbit hole they’re willing to go down.

And I may have threw up just a bit typing that.

(Still think Genn should’ve went for the kill in Stormheim instead, but I’m biased) :smiley:

I do recommend it, a lot about what it means to be a troll, Horde etc. Although some find all the talking quite boring, I’d say it’s one of the better warcraft books.

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Yeah. I can still see them having it be bad. But given they were pretty gentle with everyone getting onboard with Illidan, I’m a tad pessimistic.

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We’ll weather the Sylvanas fans, just like we did with the Illidan fan bois during legion. We’ll just have to continually remind them that she’s still a terrible character

It’s sad that you are so full of hate you defended me when you thought I was a NE fan but then turned on me the second you found out I was a Sylvanas fan.

I hope karma does it’s work on you.

I don’t hate you because you’re a sylvanas fan. I already told you, I admire your love of the character. I personally, as a worgen player, have my own reasons for disliking sylvanas.

It has nothing to do with you personally :wolf:

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I felt like a lot of the Illidan fans were more reasonable. Because many never had delusions that his actions were still mostly wrong despite the motivation.

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That’s true. Most still realized in the end, that the dude was a major dick who had a noble plan…just made a lot of horrible decisions getting there.

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This was hardly an issue with Illidan, Rise of the Lich King, or even Chronicles.

True. Its also a note that his “reward” for all his garbage behavior is essentially completing his goal (independent of his BS BC means) and getting locked away for eternity with his enemy. A part of me does kind of hope we never see him again as a result, since that can serve as “eternity imprisoned” and a pseudo-punishment at least. And all of that is assuming Sargaras isn’t free enough to torture the hell out of him while they’re in there.

EDIT: For example, Sargaras is a MASSIVE fan of ABBA. Dancing Queen every hour on the hour.

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