Okay. /10 char.
You see everyone is about peace and friendship now and struggles and conflict no longer exists. Gazlowe needs to be a nice guy so the alliance canāt get angry at the Horde anymore.
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If Blizzard had any cajones Iād love for them to confirm Erevienās take on the commie angle and then follow that through to the inevitable commie conclusion. Bread lines, gulags, corruption, secret police, mass graves, starvation, etc.
Love him or hate him, Gallywix is the quintessential goblin; the most goblin goblin ever. You put someone in charge who wants to rapidly and fundamentally change that because they think thereās a better way, it doesnāt work, which can actually lead to more interesting narrative growth.
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You already have Umbric āHero of the proletariatā for that
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Yes. Gallywix is great. Never saw a more entertaining character to follow around. I feel like they make the Goblins normal now so alliance players wonāt feel weirded out when walking around Undermine.
Goblins are cool though. I love the antics they get into 
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I do not know why I canāt post here anymore, but I used to post on here as Cureall the goblin priest. I took a break for a few months, but I do want to add: I think the story is fine.
While I suppose I canāt claim to be THE biggest goblin fanatic in the entire world, theyāre the majority of my WoW characters. I joined in Cata partly because I wanted to play as one. Theyāve been my favorite WC race since the second game, and I ācareā about them the most of the major races. For lack of a better term, theyāre my bias.
I sure as hell care about them more than the OP does.
In order for goblin characters to be playable heroes, it has to be established to some extent that goblins GIVE A FLIP about the world in general. The opening experience displayed that because the playable goblin in Kezan was second only to the Trade Prince, yet all of their employees loved you and people considered you good company. You were rising through a cartel with being a complete misanthrope. Likewise, the goblinās Death Knight opening establishes that there are goblins who care about the fate of the greater world, or at least their close associates.
WoW lets goblins actually save the world, and to allow for that they canāt be one-note sambas playing a single trope. They have to actually have varied people.
Gallywix isnāt a bad character in a vacuum, but his entire shtick is Getting Away With It. The day he has to face some sort of consequences for his actions, heās lost his defining quirk as a character. He consequently makes a good villain and a terrible playable leader, since he simply canāt have any comeuppance or losing hand without blowing apart his character.
I have expectations heāll return as leader of Venture Co, a story conceit that has never fully fit into the Cartel/Trade Prince stuff but has been an exceptionally greed-oriented faction even beyond the āregularā goblins. Heāll work fine in that.
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No you donāt. You want Blizzard to turn them into yet another normal good guy race which is a bad thing.
I want them to have something more going on than ruining each other and setting each other up to die. You can have goblins that do that, but should they be Horde? One of the reason my gob DKās RP background was that he was a former Booty Bay Bruiser until he died and was raised is because I felt that BB goblins, even though many of them were pirates operating a store, got along with each other to an extent.
Blizzard has tried to pass off the mafia-like bits of Bilgewater Goblins as being a Kezan specific thing because the goblins weāve known forever donāt work like that. Theyāre still mad scientists, after all, and always have been. Heck, I know you like WC2-era Doomhammer Horde (to some extent so do I!) and Nogginfogger is probably in lore THE goblin alchemist with a building in WC2 to train zeppelins and sappers. Heās been part of the Horde a long time ago, and Gazlowe points out that heās not good at cutting corners and pulling fast ones on his fellow goblins. They have goblins who specialize in ābeing in chargeā for that business. Being a great inventor doesnāt usually make you a Trade Prince, apparently.
It never made sense for goblins of the Horde to be crooked car salesmen. It made sense for the neutral goblins. (But also IMO it never made much sense to make the goblins non-Horde and was done so that the new Horde would be primitive and struggle.)
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I think there should still be some of that, even among Horde goblins. Because itās flavorful and funny. But Iām okay with goblins having other sides to them as well.
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Why not? They are more then just sidekicks of the Orcs like they did in Warhammer. That should be good enough with all those unique cultural aspect of dystopian government capitalism and the crazy inventor stick.
American definition of Communism. any economic system whose main tenets differ from. the following.
- Eat the Poor
- Screw the working class.
- Eliminate the middle class
- Remove all leashes from the owning class.
By Joan Collinsās measure the character Edith Keeler that she played on Star Trek was āsome kind of Communist.ā
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Communism defines giving more rights and power to the working class. That is exactly what Gazlowe is doing.
Funny how it never seems to work that way with actual communist countries.
Communismā¦ā¦great on paper, just people are power hungry
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The problem with communism (really, any wildly different system of government put in on a violent revolution) is that managing a country is a wildly different skillset than taking control of one, and it turns out very few revolutionaries are willing to step back and cede power once the fightingās done.
Plus, at the end of the day youāre gonna get very few true believers making their way to the top, Authoritarians playing power games are gonna win nearly every time.
None of this really applies to Gazlowe though. Heās basically the equivalent of a new CEO changing the company direction even if it ticks off a few shareholders.
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Think of the history of those countries. They were autocracies and dictatorships before and after they went Communist. The history of the transition of Russia in particular was more drawn out and complicated than just shoot the Czar on Monday and be full Soviet on Tuesday.
As far as this country goes the idea that we are a democracy is a a polite fictionā¦ anyone whoās read the Princeton Report will realize that we are and have been effectively an ogliarchy.
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If it aināt the Gilded Age, itās Communism! 
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For the most part, what Russia and China practise, is crony capitalism under a different label. Cuba is actually a bit closer to being what Marx intendedā¦ so for that matter is the United States.
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All forms Of communism are supposed to be based on ācommunalismā. Shared resources. In communist countries, the government is managing the shared resources of the society as a whole. Or perhaps managing the transition to such a system.
Gasow never speaks of such Communalism. On the other hand, his attitude towards the profit motive seriously weakens, The view of him as a capitalist. In my opinion. he comes off as advocating Managed capitalism. Similar to the modern US Economy.
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