i recall during tbc, i tried out wsg for the first time, after i had stumbled upon the quartermaster in ashenvale and saw pretty epic bracers, purchasable for the low low price of some bg honor tokens. so silly me, i queued for wsg on a disc priest. notta clue what i was doing. i spent the next 2 weeks, 10 hours a day, re-queuing for that bg, because i was positive the odds would eventually be in our favor. they never were. in fact, we never won a single one. not one.
little did i know at the time, our alliance dominated pve server was paired on the battlegroup with a horde dominated pvp server, who tended to run premades, with participants using ventrillo to coordinate. yeah…
so i did the only thing i could. i made the unstoppable flag carrier. re-rolled a gnome mage and gave her the craziest talent combo in bg history. her job wasnt to kill anybody. her job was to get the horde flag and safely cap it , 3 times in a row, with or without any help from the rest of my teammates, who were happily camping midfield. and i had to do this as many times as necessary to get those epic bracers.
it worked. it was too good. it felt like cheating. i actually started feeling bad for the horde team, who were quite surprised by this turn of events. it seemed to me i had stumbled upon a weak point, where devs didnt consider all possible talent combos for my class.
after winning every single wsg i queued for, i stopped running her because it didnt feel like legit wins - it felt like the devs had made a mistake and thats the only reason i succeeded. i wasnt willing to keep winning under such circumstances. believe me, i had a long hard think about it, cause i wanted those bracers.
so yeah, my own worst enemy.
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You know, you could read the small novel I wrote responding to you last night
I think Alliance is hurt by the player base feeling Horde is the most efficient way to get stuff done. Right now, it’s like the gamer version of an old wive’s tale. It’s just taken for granted that it’s the case.
There is a problem on a good number of servers (apparently not all, and definitely not Oceanic) that alliance looking for group doesn’t have enough people in it.
I think when you have a good number of people on the forums who seem to make it their sole purpose there to loudly and forcibly scream and shout that as alliance players that the lack of groups is due to knowing malevolent actions by the devs to actively hamper the alliance because they apparently hate them so much, that if people keep hearing that it hurts the enthusiasm. If you think it’s rigged against you, you may be more likely to quit trying because what’s the point. It discourages people from even trying in the first place. It basically says to stop trying on Alliance and play on horde.
Right now it seems to be the problem is people on US servers feel that they need to play Horde to get a group. We need more people willing to queue up on Alliance. I don’t know the best way to do that, but it seems pretty obvious that people who are shouting that the game is rigged against you so that you’ll fail are just sabotaging that. It’s nowhere near the whole alliance doing that, but they’re just discouraging others from trying.
Like I’ve mentioned multiple times, there’s a big guild that makes groups to do Alliance world pvp stuff lately and they’ve had some horde players complaining about them. I think that’s awesome, and wish there was a pve version of that where they got people enthusiastic about doing raids and m+ on their alliance characters.
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Another ray of sunshine appears.
Maybe she could stick to the thread she asked it in originally rather than spamming it across multiple threads?
i appreciate the thought you put into your post. i have no idea how that would be done because the players themselves, have to have an interest in endgame progression and that’s only possible if they are actual alliance mains, since they’d do progression on horde if their main is horde. mathematical and statistical probabilities.
Depends, I mean, I don’t have much patience for alts at all, but others do. And even if it’s not the highest keys on mythic, or full blown mythic raids, people being willing to do the content will help.
I’d almost suggest having something like mini-MDI things in game if that wouldn’t drive everyone to feel that they’d HAVE to do them, as that’s an area alliance races shine in.
I kinda think it needs to start small. Rather than going straight for pro teams, encourage more stuff at the pick up level. I watch T&E because they’re pretty level headed unlike a lot of youtubers (even some who used to Be) and I kinda like their “Race to World’s First guild to beat the heroic raid with a name a bit like Immortalis” it’s a silly little competition started by players who know they’re not playing at the pro-level. But it’s a fun thing to do and they’re doing it, and have gotten people in (well at least someone made the guild “A Bit Like Immortalis”)
It feels like the community does have some power here. Since this isn’t a case where there’s an imbalance in racials or whatever this isn’t something that requires Blizzard to fix it. If people who are in a place to do so can get people interested in doing something on Alliance that could actually go a long way to getting the critical mass needed to have a healthy group finder on more servers.
Note: When I say it doesn’t require Blizz to fix it, that is meant in the sense that it isn’t a problem say with game mechanics or some bug where you require Blizzard to mess with the code to implement the solution, not that Blizz can’t do anything to help in this area
oh immortalis. that taliesen thing? i’m a fan of him and evitel. anyway, i honestly believe if they gave us an over the top, gorgeous / handsome elf with great racials, that would be the push needed.
but velfs were only a minor fix in a big problem, hidden, and rather un-elf like. i know murg thinks i’m saying tolkien but i’m actually saying the alliance has been the edgy version of tolkien, with horde being even edgier to the point its the opposite of tolkien.
but theres no doubt, alliance was designed to pick up new players by tapping into the tolkien vein and give it a fresh approach. it worked primarily because their 3d models were the best in the online rpg gaming genre. our night elves did the job. but this is 14 years and blood elves later, and its gonna take more than a hidden blue tentacle elf.
See, I don’t think I agree with the new player thing. But just because Warcraft is like an 800 lb gorilla in the room of gaming, I think a lot of people who game are aware of the story at least roughly just by it being the biggest mmo for over a decade, and the RTS will probably be familiar to a lot as well. So I think people have an idea of what they’re getting into ahead of time. And I dunno, a lot of the internet really has a thing for a certain race and the OPness of the /waggle.
Like I said last night, even if you do get a race like that to draw people in, you still need the community there that’s willing to do the content for them to stick. If they keep hearing trade chat shouting about how it’s pointless to do a BG, or they go to the forums for information and find bad information about how the alliance is mechanically sub-par and not as able to do content as horde, are they going to stick around when they’re being told that the horde is where the action is?
I wouldn’t worry about us Oceanics. We’re the minority here, and we don’t deserve love as well.
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its gotta be a 1-2 punch like blood elves were, or it won’t work. it has to be an all around winner, over the top - beautiful/handsome elf with great racials. and it has to be a core race.
and a new class like bard, wouldnt hurt either but thatd be a 1-2-3 punch hehe
giive the horde san’layn and ogres so they mayest continue their tradition of anti-tolkien edginess. maybe mok’nathal, also.
Maybe. I’m hesitant in general on new races/classes in general at this point because there does come a point where the devs have trouble balancing their abilities with others, as well as I feel there comes a point where if you have too many of these choices it gets into that restaurant with a giant varied menu problem. Where you have an amazing amount of options to choose from, but because there’s so many they don’t do anything really well. Maybe nothing is bad, but nothing where you’d say “Oh this place/game has the best ____”
I’d rather they spend more time spreading the love to the existing things in game than adding in more and more choices that will be more competition for development and/or story spotlight.
if they dont do this, the alliance is gonna become nothing but a npc faction that people visit on their alliance alts to do quests for. you will have effectively watched the engine that drives player population, vanish. with the horde’s own decline, on the horizon
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Dunno, and this just seems like a bad time historically to judge the populations in game. Last raid is out, looks like last big patch is out, this is getting in to the period when people start to take a break to wait for the next expac to drop.
you need to be encouraging them to do this for alliance, or you’ll end up having to find priv server to play wow.
Eh, if I keep it up. I’m encouraged by the start of more solo friendly big content. But I’m kinda getting fed up with the horrible story we’ve been getting, and the break down of the zones in shadowlands didn’t help that for me. (Look! It’s night elf heaven, oh, and we’ll give trolls a little corner of that despite the fact that they’re the original race, then alien constructs heaven, then generic hell and dracula hell, and all the horde characters we mentioned are related to the hell zones, and most of the native to Azeroth races aren’t represented at all apparently)
I don’t want any half-breeds in this game. It’s complicated enough, already. All we really want is murlocs.
wha…