Walk in the park, no effort or learning curve ever. Barely an incovenience. Just start from 0s and hop right on up to 21s.
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Because people play better, so if you know what youâre doing, itâs easier.
Else, I guess just drop groups if people suck. Some are beyond saving, and thus you shouldnât try.
literally gave up on group content with shadowlands and the game has become infinitely more fun for me lol. Solo playing needs more support IMO. We are the wanderers in the world that keep the game feeling alive
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I personally donât find anything in WoW âfunâ besides m+ and raiding although raid fun is slowly dwindling.
I find it impressive that a new player has made it into m+ as a healer this season and is gaming so for that I commend you.
As far as a guild there is a discord dedicated to recruitment and if you follow the format and post you will have a ton of messages in no time of people wanting to play with you. Just google recruitment discord for WoW or something donât believe we can post links here.
M+ is very competitive and timed as you can see so when you spend 15 minutes and disband people get angry. Right now your in low keys which are the most toxic probably up until 22+ is where normally adjusted people play. In the lower keys when something goes wrong half of them donât know what happened so they rage and blame it on a tank or healer usually. My advice just ignore or get some thick skin because wow has never been known to be overly friendly when things go south.
As far as pvp that is the most toxic part of this game and probably the hardest as it requires years of class knowledge and getting farmed while making a pvp gear set.
Iâd keep going as a pally healer theyâre very strong at the moment but if your doing m+ I would look up builds and optimize your character and learn to play the right way before muscle memory kicks in on bad habits. Just join that recruitment disc find you a guild that fits your vibe and make friends and memories
Good to know an ilvl 402 can do a 20+ and not be considered a total carry. Today I learned.
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forget wow as new player if you want to play m+ !
people play here since classic and know a lot and have a lot of skills.
even eve online is easier for beginners.
Am I delusional right now? I must have something special in my coffee, because all these posts keep reading as if you can easily walk an ilvl 398-402 geared group of characters through mythics at +20 without a problem.
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420 was fine for +17s, (and thatâs week 1 before lizard invasions.)
And I think people can get to 430 ish without touching m+ at all.
402 and 420 are two totally different scores. If someone power levels their last stretch out through time walking, theyâre only in 398 gear with maybe a lucky 447 from the goody box. Yeah, they can do a couple weeks of WQ and get it up there. But everyone is talking like +20 takes only some extra finesse with your mouse rather than multiple upgrades.
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there are plenty of alternate gear paths (donât know what all of them are) but in no way do they stop at 402.
Also raid is an option, and you can have multiple clueless people in raid and still be fine
Right. But you keep telling people in low keys to just push 20s. Like there is a disconnect in the fact that they are choosing m+ for the gear grind path. They canât just push higher keys without the vault and drops along the way to qualify them.
Itâs like telling someone with a Ford Focus to just race NASCAR. No prob.
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Very legit point OP.
I started this game now about 2 years ago in October of 2021. (About a short time as people were coming to FFXIV the game I was playing).
When I first started I came in with preconceptions of what it means to do a dungeon - that you need to clear all mobs (which I quickly learnt wasnât the case), that healing is much harder to get into and that people are dead quiet in dungeons.
I got my fair share of getting told off but I havenât get gotten kicked during a run.
I think the biggest struggle is that âclass masteryâ phase because the community doesnât really give a whole lot of encouragement. People do also have a tendency to jump into keys much higher than their skill level entails which can be good for learning, but also frustrating for others.
I had a moment today where I admit I got frustrated in my head that a DPS (that wasnât an Aug) was doing 40k average in a +14 which wasnât detrimental to the run because the rest of us were doing well. I messaged the lead who replied that it was their wife and that they were learning.
I had to take a step back and think on how else they would learn without doing those dungeons. Maybe even as a positive karma for dealing with it, my next two runs went smooth and I got KSM.
But when say we see a player not interrupting, not damaging and not contributing as much as the rest of party itâs very easy to see red. Itâs at this time I need to remember my first +10 or + 14 and think on if I was any good.
I donât think I was 
WoW could do with more general positive community and that can only come from self reflection and empathy.
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Then abandon way more groups.
Itâs really better not to linger in low keys.
It is pretty infuriating when people run their first mythic at over +10 level keys and donât know mechanics or how to use their utilities at all. It sets up all kinds of broken trust issues about whoâs to blame if a key bricks. Like, you couldnât try out a couple 5s to see the fights first? Weâre just gonna puke blood maggots all over the floor in Underrot? Weâre not going to de-rage the spinny blades of death in Brakenhide? Or kill totems? Just gonna make everyone work three times harder than they have to? Okay.
But youâre right in that itâs a learning process.
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you rolled a character on moonguard - that is the problem.
Lol. No prob, barely an inconvenience. Iâll get right on it.
I did. But, in my defense when I started on MG in Cata, mythics werenât a thing.
Thatâs exactly how I felt today. I was using stuns/ints off CD but I had two other shamans in my party talented into incap totem but never saw one. When itâs that plus low DPS itâs a bad feeling.
But after I kinda just visualised in my head that thereâs this guy teaching his wife the game. I imagine they probably have copped a fair bit of âfeedbackâ
Iâve lost two friends in this game who went back to Ff14 because they got treated pretty poorly during the levelling process. Iâm here cause I like the moment to moment gameplay but yeah itâs a real balance 
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My solution was to find a m+ community. There are a few around and they run M+ and raids cross server.
Some people are averse to streamers, but a few smaller communities have sprung up on twitch and kick. Youâre looking for guys with 50 to 100 viewers for those, the bigger streamers arent usually as accessible.
I run a lot with krowten on kick. Itâs not a raffle carry stream. He builds groups and runs keys, even lower keys, as the group can handle. Itâs pretty chill and consistent way to group imo.
I meant OP - did that show up as replying to you?