that’s not true at all. There is no list of requirements to be s tier. Being S tier is based off of results. Boomkin is also easier to kill than all those classes you listed. Boomkin is s tier because of the damage. That’s why they get the best results. If the damage is nerfed they are no longer s tier (will still be good). Nothing wrong with boomkin survivability.
This goes for cov and them that responded too. I want to clarify that I didn’t say it wasn’t hard to kill. I said it’s not tanky, there is a difference.
Boomy absolutely dies and cannot sit there and take abuse without help. What it does exceed in is proactive response and avoiding bad situations. Through use of clone or it’s mobility it can keep itself safe a lot. But by no measure is it a “tanky” spec.
Uhm, I don’t know how else to respond to you other than saying, no. That’s just not true.
If you think mail armor makes me impervious to melee or think sitting in bear wins me games then you’re crazy man. People need to stop assuming bear form is like a bubble.
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Boomy is a lot of things. Tanky isn’t one of them.
As a warrior, i’m gonna have to disagree.
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A spec will not be insane if it’s easy to kill. Plain and simple. Damage is never enough and MM hunter proves that every day.
Yep and I understand that difference which is why I used that specific wording. Boomy is not easy to kill and anyone that says otherwise is lying through their teeth. Again for the umpteenth time if it died easily it wouldn’t be good. They actually have a nice layered defense system of kiting/cc/off-healing/bear form that offers tremendous survivability.
Yeah boomy absolutely is tanky vs any physicals dps. The isse is there’s not many specs that have heavy reliance on physcial damage, but the ones that do feel it. Especially if they are paired with a protvoker that further buffs their armor with scales (and if there’s nobody to dispel it). It’s like hitting a brick wall.
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“easy” is hyperbole the point is boomkin survivability is fine. You live if you cycle your cooldowns properly had have a decent healer but at the same time even if you do everything right you can still be overwhelmed with damage especially from melee. Boomkin isn’t S tier because they are live lords. Don’t know how else to say it.
Before the regen nerfs we were super tanky tbh. Could facetank alot of damage back then. I think people havent gotten over it still. Was an extremely long time ago lol but yea if you cant kite your dead nowadays
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Again, a spec needs the “total” package to rise to the top and be new fotm everyone is rolling from the AWC to low cr 2’s.
- Is boomy’s survivability the sole reason their are OP right now? No.
- Does it play a big part in it? Yes.
- Does that mean they need their survivability nerfed? Not necessarily.
- Could nerfing it be a viable path to reducing how strong they are? Yes.
- Should that be the path taken? Probably not, but it’s an option.
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boomkin survivability has already been nerfed so no it’s not a viable option and doesn’t actually fix anything. That’s the last i’m saying on this. We can agree to disagree.
That’s fair and I just wanted to clarify for those that maybe didn’t make that distinction.
And yeah, we can be tanky vs physical for sure. I’m not sure mail armor alone makes us so but if we use bear and skin frequently for the “oh crap” moments we are harder to take down than many. Though sitting bear never usually ends up in a winning favor for us. It’s nice when our on demand armor can be useful but as said by others, that’s not a usual case.
If a fury decides to pop cds for instance and goes nuts, I certainly don’t feel tanky even with skin if I just sit there and take it. Better than a mage, sure 
Boomy’s weakness has always been rogues and the set up type comps that really isolate their KT. Stuck in a kidney or stun, with a large MS, when all others are crossed is very spooky. Not that it isn’t for anyone but MS hurts us defensively more than most and with no mobility to fall back on, we can die. However, it can be hard to get a good boomy in that situation to begin with.
Overall I very much like our kit like you’ve said. We have good tools that help us survive. In previous seasons I would’ve asked for a little more defensively as they kept nerfing it repeatedly however with our current state I dare not bring that up haha. I only wish I could take advantage of it for once instead of working an 84 hour week 
. I definitely don’t think a nerf to our survivability is the move though. We are on a thin line usually as it is with everything being tied to heals. I mean we can avoid dmg a lot but sometimes you just can’t and when you can’t, a 20% wall is usually not enough. I’d much rather take a damage hit.
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I’d much rather take survivability buffs over damage/cc every day as well.
All I wanna see done to boomy is clone taken to 5 sec, high winds removed, and new/half/full moon absolutely gutted into inviability (is that even a word? It is now).
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I played with a boomy for 2 hours yesturday and he seemed really tanky from my pov
I don’t even hate hard casted full moon that much because the cast is long enough to counterplay with meld or a defensive or just pre dispelling his dots so that moon does low damage from not getting mastery benefit .
For me its the random 176k new moons and 300k half moons and the proc full moons.
That is what is frying me.
I thought these were heavily nerfed, but yeah half moon is the real danger where you’re trying to save stuff for full then get cranked by it’s little brother. Also full moon basically giving enough astral for 2 starsurges right after it nutty as well. As if the 400k crit wasn’t enough now you got 2 homing missiles flying behind it for a potential 100k each as well.
Ok this would explain why I keep raising and eyebrow when boomkins say they are not tanky at all lol.
They need to fix the moon spells in shuffle. They don’t reset to new moon between rounds.
Maybe they need to just remove New Moon/Half Moon and put Full Moon on an appropriate cooldown accordingly? If you’re going to have a 3 second cast that locks you out of all schools it definitely needs to hit hard. But the 2 hard hitting spells before it are probably unnecessary. I like the theme of the spell but that’s a lot to try and balance around.
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Is it though? People are training Balance druids because of how much of an autoloss it is to not train them, not because they’re an easy kill target. They are not an easy kill target, which makes the necessity that you train them all the worse.
They’re not the tankiest in the game either, but they aren’t Affliction warlocks where people would sit them regardless and it’s a bonus that you also get to shut them down.
Guardian druid should be the only spec with access to bear form.
well i literally see it all the time. boomy is at 2% hp, goes into bear, gets topped off and then he’s back to just cycloning everyone again.
all it really takes is one good cyclone and your oppressive damage to win a match.
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