New MMO with Ghostcrawler

I suspect it will be some sort of F2P abomination.

Curious at least. Wildstar had former Blizz developers and though it was fun it didn’t last long.

Not to be that guy but may I remind you that just because they’re former Blizzard employees doesn’t mean they’ll make gold. Remember that Andrew Brevik (one of the devs for Diablo) made Hellgate London and his Marvel game, both became commercial flops.

Also, just because it’s an LoL MMO, doesn’t guarantee success (see SWTOR)

It will be pvp based, my interest is already gone.

Except this means you dont have to rerun the same dungeon a million tikes at different key levels to get what you need.

You get the item. Then Upgrade it. Course the item can still drop and vault still exists

Not sure about the other game, but Hellgate London was actually super fun to play.

Also… uh… I think you meant DAVID Brevik. Searching for Andrew Brevik…

MMO YouTuber Josh Strife Hayes made a video essay on why you CANNOT kill WoW. His thesis is that WoW is not just a mere game that was good, but it has transcended into a cultural phenomenon, and can survive via our nostalgia. That is why, despite the horrible things Blizzard has done to the game, it will survive. That is why games that are technically better cannot kill it… yet.

I believe LoL has enough of the subculture factor to be a threat to WoW. If you’ve played League of Legends, you can probably appreciate how many things they’ve learned to do right in ways that make Blizzard look like a tired old dinosaur.

They aggressively work on the science of game balance, they actively communicate with the community, they try to innovate systems to reduce toxic behavior, and they don’t let paid features creep into gameplay in ways that make it “pay to win”. Blizzard developer honestly seem like arrogant old guys who just don’t care anymore in comparison.

I believe Riot Games has grown to a point that their developer talent for making a mechanically smooth and polished game has surpassed Blizzard, and it’s the same in the art department. I prefer WoW’s style to Riot’s cutesy Asian / anime / Pixar style, but I believe Riot will always make a technologically superior game per polygon count than Blizzard now. That is why LoL > HotS, Valorant > Overwatch, and it is a very real possibility that a Riot MMO can at least be a much superior game, technically.

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The sudden love WoW forums gives Ghostcrawler is just proof that rose colored glasses exist.

GC wasn’t just disliked because he was known to be arrogant and dismissive of anyone that disagreed with his design choices.

my bad on that then. But still, folks need to remember that experience =/= perfection

and I keep saying this: Folks said the same thing about games like SWTOR, Rift, Terra and Final Fantasy. It didn’t work for them, why would it work with Ashes?

Do people actually believe LoL is a bad game? Like poorly designed? You’ve gotta be insane to believe this. More likely you’ve never played, or you did and got mad cause you got rekt by smurfs and you told yourself “Game sucks!” to cope.

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So I’m out.

They have 0 idea how to build MMO, they have 0 story, 0 things for actual RPG.

I will try it out like I tried FF14. But mostly they are doomed.

Nope. Riot is a scumbag company who I honestly don’t feel like supporting anymore.

They have proved time and time again that they are not a company worthy of players support and investment.

I would love to still support GC especially with a new MMO, just not from that company.

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It will NEVER be as polished as WoW is right now. They don’t have MONEY (and time) to do it.

By the time it’s released we will already have new WoW expac to play.

I hated GC’s BTPNTC methodology in Wrath and even though that was good, Cataclysm was an unmitigated mess afterward.

However, if the LoL MMO is based off MoP methodology, which remains the best class design in the current post-Wrath WoW, it should be ALOT of fun. He had really hit his stride and Blizzard should have retained Greg at that point. Aside from Legion after Nighthold, WoW’s class design and AARP design intent is not very good.

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He can’t use that. :slight_smile:

It should be a “new” design, so probably something emulatinmg shadowlands which is by far the most finished and polished expac of WoW

GC made mages OP every patch because thats what he played!

I won’t be… Not because I think the game will be garbage…
Because I think Riot Games is a garbage company. It’s toxic community is a direct reflection of the the company as a whole.
Examples below:

https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/28747703/plaintiffs-riot-gender-discrimination-lawsuit-hire-new-counsel

https://www.cnet.com/news/riot-games-investigating-its-ceo-over-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/

There is a Vice article on the most recent one… with language that would get me a suspension in the description…

Given the composition of the WoW team, I am not all that sure that is anything different.

Personal opinions are not facts.

Has B.E. done some questionable things? Yes.
Has Riot Games been sued multiple times over the past several years for allowing sexual harassment to occur in their workplace, allowing retaliation when someone files a complaint? Yes.