New lore reveal in books. Elune, Azeroth, Sylvanas

Sure did. And my apologies, it was actually the temple at Suramar, that became the Tomb of Sargeras.

Though, logically the same religious iconography should of existed in the other temples.

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YOU want the night elves to be wrong
so that the Tauren are partly right
YOU want that. I say then against it holistically “NO” and Elune, as a proper name, can still mean Lady-Moon, because names have further meanings.

Doesn’t the tauren Earthmother myth have to be wrong on some level if we’re trying to say Azeroth is her? Azeroth’s a titan fetus and, well, limited to Azeroth. Elune is not. Seems weird to think that Elune was spawned from her.

But the last time Azeroth spoke to anyone, it was through Magni, and not a tauren.

It’s already kinda established that there’s an older troll name for Elune though.

Cenarius iirc was mentioned in an interview with Knaak. Lemme check


War of the Ancients Trilogy reveals that Ysera is mother of Cenarius and lover of Malorne. Are Ysera and Elune one and the same?

Knaak: Elune and Ysera are not the same. Here is the explanation, per Blizzard, who did not wish any further elaboration in the novel at the time:

— According to the Sundering, it is said that Ysera is Cenarius’s mother. However, Dungard the Earthen says that he thought Elune ‘birthed’ Cenarius.

Elune birthed Cenarius, but gave him up to Malorne because Cenarius was more a creature of the mortal world and could not be with her. Malorne, who had relations with both Elune and Ysera, knew that he could not properly care for his son, but Ysera’s love was so great for Malorne that she took Cenarius as her own. Hence being his mother (or adoptive mother).

© https://web.archive.org/web/20080516114000/http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/176

Not sure how that should work together.


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You know an easy way to solve this would be to say Mu’sha, Lun’alai, and perhaps the Tide Mother are each cultural Epithets for Elune, and equally valid as they depict a specific aspect of her.

Often even the Kaldorei do not call her Elune. They call her Mother Moon.

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You mean Lunaria or something, don’t you? From Zandalar? I don’t know how long this movement has been around. The dark trolls already called Elune
Elune.

No I literally said:

Elune’s name could have been both words.

My real name is Juan Manuel. Some people call me Juan, some people call me Manuel, both names are correct and I respond to both.

Again, you yourself were insisting Night Elves didn’t have the “real name” and that it was “just a word” in my An’she thread lmao.

Nah, Lun’alai is the new name, not the old name, and regardless statement stands: Elune is the real name.

??? Where does the Sun fit into this???

Shall we continue to discuss the wickedness of the goblins? Then they will complain that they have reduced the topic to the night elves 
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Making all Goblins inherently wicked and worthy of purgatory due to cultural Greed is bad and problematic and I have no idea what Blizzard is thinking.

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Hard to say, easiest solution would be to say that the actual heritage of Cenerius is shrouded in conflicting mythology which he has not bothered to correct for his own reasons.

Cultural coding is terrible in general. Blizzard are REALLY BAD about it because of how reductionist they take things to make a story easy to write. Races become boiled down into easy to digest tropes.

Goblins are evil purely in their culture. Fortunately, they change because of Gazlowe. But it’s okay, they go back to hard methods when something goes wrong. Hee-hee-hee 


There are goblins in Bastion.

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There is one problem with Revendreth - you will not know that someone has been there. What if that goblin was meant for Bastion, it just needed to be cleaned?

To emphasize Zahir’s previous arguments when his stick was “Elune and Mu’sha are equal names and Elune isn’t the real name”

Dude is fake and flips faster than a hot cake on a hot summer day

anyways

It would thoroughly suck if Cenarius is “revealed” to “actually” be the son of An’she lmao

It wouldn’t be bad if any of the Non-Western/Non-Christian/Non-Euro coded races had any Good Storylines

But alas!

Alas.

None.

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And Juan comes from Johannes and originally means “God is gracious” and it could still be the same with Elune and Mu’Sha.

Both mean the identical name meaning, only in other languages “Mother Moon/Lady Moon/White Lady”, take your pick, any of it.

Not sure it was Azeroth talking to him tbh. We met titans. I do not remember any of them singing. Or any of their direct creations.

I think that the Earth mother story would require another revision of the titan story to make her = Azeroth. As she was kind of active on the surface of the planet which would not fit neither Chronicles, nor A Thousand Years of War.

Good question. The only way to tie it to the story that I can think of at the moment, is if there is some mystery in the origins of the high elves and their shift away from Elune. (might fit Archimonde’s claim about the stolen knowledge, if it ever comes to fruition).

Might be something metaphorical. Freya uses a bunch of “solar” spell for example. So, maybe referred just to powers?
:man_shrugging:


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That’s actually the Germanic derivation of the Greek derivation of the Hebrew derivation of the Aramaic derivation.

And yet, Blizzard chose to make Elune the real name, and thus Tauren, Trolls, and otherwise are wrong.

Correct.

If An’she becomes real and is night-elf-centric, I will ascend.

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it would be belore in such a case, not An’She, belore, the deity chosen by the quel’dorei after the rejection of the night elf religion.

Pulling the “BLizzard is racist coz they dont care about non-european races card” is about as stupid as “Blizzard is antifeminist/sexist because Night elves are mistreated constantly.”