New Death Knights [Theory]

I love you :heart:

Ive bren saying this and no one listens, thry think Bolvars doing nothing lol. Having you raise the four horsemen, killing the red dragons, telling you to leave or be stuck there as undead swarm you.

I cant wait to see what is in store. I just hope to main my DK next expansion as an AR :slight_smile:

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I’ve wanted to be a Mag’har DK forever. When I initially made an Orc DK I had wanted them to be Mag’har. I’ve always loved Mag’har so much.

Zandalari and Dark irons would also be very nice.

People have complained “Lightforged and void elf death knights make no sense”. But there is literally nothing in the lore that says void or light infused entity can’t be raised as undead. A corpse is a corpse. Many paladins were raised into death knights. Death knights tried to rez Tirion just in legion. It would be really cool imho if the lightforged “bands” are black as death knights. Like they’ve been darkened/corrupted by undeath.

I would also love if death knights got more options. I really would love red eye options like Sylvanas and the Dark rangers have.

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it’s not that much of a difference

and we already get heritage armor for boosted core races so if they leave in the require 120/130 requirement then it’s mostly eh

and lore wise they can just have him raising individuals killed during the 4th war
the pandas that are started can “choose” their faction in a similiar fashion…
like in the current dk starting area you go through X portal based on your previous faction before your death

give a brief overview of both factions in the quest dialogue and select the portal you want
“you have proven loyal to the lich king, but he wishes to embed his agents across azeroth in the horde and alliance, your kind is trusted in both which assignment would you like” or some such nonsense

assuming the lich king isn’t on our side, if he is just tweak it so that you’re choosing which side to focus your help on with his aide, or which faction you’d rather join because your race is trusted in it if another break free thing exists

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I know a lot of people have asked for DK allied races and this is probably an unpopular opinion but I like that they are a more exclusive club tied to the expac they were introduced in (mostly)

I hate this concept of exclusion or prestige.

I much prefer diversity of choice and options.

Demon hunters may be my only exception on this motto.

I just want the option to skip the DK starter zone after you’ve done it already.

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This ^^

I don’t want the starter zone revamped… I want the fourth generation DKs to have their own.

I feel like they are going to handle em like the allied races, just spawn in front of lich king get a few lines of dialect then a port to your new faction city…
Granted I hope they get a revamped starter zone :stuck_out_tongue:

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He starts killing Horde Leaders and Sylvanas shows up and all Horde leaders side with her again. And balance is restored.

As long as the original remains. I really enjoy destroying that entire village as a DK.

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I 1000% agree, there are so many good memories tied to that zone not to mention the amount of lore and the wonderful job it does at putting you in that DK mindset.
It would be a travesty to just remove that and i pray blizz realizes this before it could be too late.

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Necromancers are absolutely under no circumstances EVER going to happen. They are just Warlocks with an Undead theme. If you wanna be a Necromancer for the Undead theme and zombies, play a Death Knight. If you wanna play a Necromancer for the evil caster playstyle, play a Warlock.

Dark Rangers are where it is at. No, they are NOTHING like Hunters.

They could be a mobility focused melee/ranged hybrid class who’s rotation involves turning into a Banshee and meleeing the target and then vaulting back to attack at range. They would have mobility on par with Demon Hunters. They would have a unique mount where they turn into a Banshee and fly like Sylvanas did in that cinematic. Hell, i could probably think up an entire kit of abilities if i wanted to. Can you do that with a Tinker/Necromancer? No. Not without stealing from other classes.

Tinkers are the only other possibility and lets be real, you have no idea how they play or what they do other then “shoot missiles durrrr.” They also do not fit the expansions theme at all.

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You have a point. If we’re going back to Northrend and/or the Scourge, Dark Rangers fit that theme. Not Tinkers.

Besides, just like alchemist, Tinkers were turned into a profession. Now that we (will) have Mechagnomes, isn’t one of them with Engineering a Tinker? Pretty much?

They were bound to re-do DK at some point to open up additional race options.

They lose out on potential race change money every time they release a new race, and invariably exclude DK from being able to pick from them.

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Exactly. All death knights made 9.0 and beyond will be 4th generation death knights. Just as all forsaken made after cata were raised by Sylvanas and her Valkyrie. You can still headcanon/RP as being third generation but gameplay wise all new ones will be 4th generation. Because games progress and evolve.

Fun fact. Demon hunters are just melee warlocks. Or rogues with a warlock theme.

A necromancer to a death knight is a demon hunter to a warlock. A necromancer to a warlock is a demon hunter to a rogue.

They’re rogues. They’re literally rogues. Primarily ranged rogues. Only 1 race has access to them and that’s forsaken (while yes forsaken is actually a composite race of many different undead species but still)

It’s like people who want Wardens. It sounds cool but would not and could not apply to both factions sensically.

Obviously you lack creativity or just refuse to entertain the idea. While the concept is interesting. A singular race singular faction class isn’t going to go over very well. Would be cool if some things from that kit are given to rogue as a 4th ranged spec.

The banshee form/ghost form could be a mechanic of necromancer. Or more likely a lich form. Lichs have male and female models. Could also be an excuse to give them a resolution update.

I agree tinkers don’t fit the theme. But I’ve read a lot of neat ideas about them. Still I’d prefer necromancers. Plague, hordes of undead, a blood oriented healing spec. Sounds good.

Also we haven’t gotten a new caster class ever. The only one is mistweaver spec with monk which literally does melee dps when it does do damage.

We haven’t gotten a new clothie or mail wearer. Necromancer would be clothie, tinker would be mail.

Regardless we’ll be seeing in just a couple weeks.

You are acting as if Death Knights are not related to Warlocks… Death Knights, in fact, have more in common with Warlocks then Demon Hunters do.

Rogues and Demon Hunters are nothing alike. Rogues are a stealthy assassin while Demon Hunters are a mobility oriented brute force class. A better comparison to Demon Hunters is Monks.

A Warlock and a Necromancer both play exactly the same down to a T and share mostly the same theme. It is more akin to adding a Cleric when there is already a Priest.

Ranged rogues…? That is a pretty big distinction. In fact, that is the distinction that separates Death Knights and Warlocks.

They literally added Night Elf Dark Rangers in BFA. Which btw, is actually huge evidence that Dark Rangers are coming.

Not even remotely comparable. A Warden is ACTUALLY just a Rogue and they could easily have BElf Wardens anyway.

Stop repeating something that is flat out incorrect and acting like it is such a valid point. See above.

4th Specs are not happening. That would be WAYYYY too much work.

You are seriously going to tell me that a Dark Ranger is too similar to a Rogue despite being ranged, not being a stealth class and having an Undead theme and then you are gonna prop up Necromancers when the only difference between them and Warlocks is a slight theme…?

Seriously?

I know, nothing funner then casting Corruption on enemies and then having a horde of demons attack them while you drain their lif-OH WAIT!

That sounds literally identical to a Warlock. Dark Ranger could have a healing spec too.

What else is there to do with caster classes exactly?

Dark Ranger can wear Mail.

All my life I’ve wanted a robust Pandaren pally.

Now that I’ve convinced myself Dark Iron Paladins look great and I want to play one next expansion they’ll probably unlock the class for pandas.

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Ever since WOD and Gravewalker Gie I had hope for Pandaren DKS knowing they were in game and to realize it would be sweet as for starting zone I will say what I have said before in many topics concerning the matter.

They don’t need to do anything to the starting zone have it be just like when you make a new panda then boost it the game asks which faction you wish to join.

Just have it be like that for pandaren and other allied races and bingo no changes to the starting zone making players happy they keep their original and other players get new DKs.

level squish is real. if the rumors of new chars starting at 1 and our 120s being like lvl 10 start all races heritage armor becoming a max level reward makes sense.