It’s literally the first result when you look up genocide. I assume you skipped over it on purpose. Also, do understand that legal definition was from a .com.
You did.
I think that general impression comes from the preceding line:
How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.
As well as Sylvanas’ personal musing in A Good War that the burning of Teldrassil will be the functional end of the Night Elven people.
All the ones in the tree died
Good because it is just what it is Elegy " How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few.
How does the war come into play here? You never mentioned the war being relelvant. And also, many of the civilians were killed and attacked by the Dark Iron Dwarves as was seen on the Horde side. But since you don’t play Horde, I guess you didn’t see that.
Is that the best rebuttal you got? Because I could just derail that point a little further and just point out that you did get to fight Nathanos.
No. That’s not what happened. It’s been this way even before Zul arrived. But thank you for pointing out that the Zandalari have been under siege twice in a single expansion!
Ok. First of all, stop. This has begun to evolve into something else. Don’t bring WW2 into this. Also, you didn’t read the definition. Genocide is the large killing of a group of people. That happened in WW2. That was genocide, though not complete genocide.
But they didn’t. Many escaped.
huh?
You just said genocide was not killing every one, Elegy says two times that it is a genocide and also states that thousands of people lived here when it was set in flame and toi few elves remain.
At the end of the day you can discuss all you want I don’t need more argument than what the official writers wrote in this novela :
Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide.
If you consciously ignore offical lore then GD is for you.
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Because you see. i am trying to compare the situations.
Who was the agressor in this war? Sylvanas.
Who destroyed a city that already surrendered and all the civilians on it just to provoke the enemy? Sylvanas.
Did any alliance character did any of that?
i know. but don’t you think that there is a difference between some troops going rogue to the leaders being the ones who ordered that?
i didn’t seen genn or jaina ordering to kill civilians just to provoke the enemy. they probably don’t even know what the dark iron did.
it was nathanos who started the war and ordered the city to burn? yes or no?
no, zul has been with rasthakan since always. in cata was when they decided to abandon nazmir and voldun and focus in zuldazar.
He was trying to release g’hun and destroy the zandalari, they had that civil war.
like i said, where he is now?
Dead.
The point is that the sole intent to destroy whole or in part a large group is already the definition of it.
THAT is genocide.
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Don’t bother anymore to explain it to him. It is clearly stated in Elegy, if he wants to ignore it, it is his own problem.
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I know. I said it was genocide. Not the complete genocide of every last Elf in that tree like what you said. Do I need to repeat myself again?
I’m not. You just literally haven’t understood what I have said repeatedly.
I’ll say it one more time: TELDRASSIL WAS GENOCIDE. NOT COMPLETE GENOCIDE. You said that every Elf in that tree died. That’s not true. Many DID survive.
I’m getting sick of repeating myself. I agreed with you. WW2 did have genocide. But not every single Jewish person was killed, but it was still genocide. You said that I believed the opposite. I was correcting you.
Yes. Jaina did so when she attacked the Zandalari who had not joined the Horde yet. The Zandalari Princess was also captured earlier and assaulted for literally zero reason. The Alliance did this to make the Zandalari not trust their allies (provoking a reaction).
So now you’re making up baseless assumptions to refute what I said. Seriously? Rogue Dark Iron? You do know that there was a War Campaign leading up to this, right?
No. He was not. But he had a major part in it. And regardless, this rebuttal is very weak. “At least you got to fight her”
Lol!
Wow. You know barely anything about Zandalar. Zul hasn’t been with the Zandalari since CATA. He’s been out trying to unite the troll tribes and has repeatedly had his you-know-what handed to him. And so he has been plotting against Rastakhan ever since.
The fact of the matter is that the Zandalari haven’t had control of their continent for a while now. You may not want to accept that, and that’s your fault.
The zandalari under zul attacked the horde and the alliance TWICE first in cata and then in mop.
Rasthakan didn’t cared about it and he never once send diplomats to either side, the alliance captured zul because he was the one who tried to destroy the world in the first place.
So as far as the horde and the alliance knew, they were at open war with them.
Then, the zandalari, not only attacked boralus TWICE, but also, used their home as base of operations for the horde assaults in kultiras.
and then, after the horde stole a powerful artifact of kultiras, they literally stored it in rasthakan’ vaults.
then, sylvanas claims, at the start of 8.1 that the zandalari fleet is already under their command.
all of this happens BEFORE the raid, so tell me again, did she really started the war?
Let me ask you, do you have any evidence that it was the alliance leadership the one who said that they should start burning civilians FOR FUN? at any point in time?
The question was about to fight the person who “started” the war in the first place, nathanos is nothing more than a seccond in command, but the actual responsible is someone above him.
fair point, but i do know, that rasthakan trusted zul. i don’t blame rasthakan for not knowing about zul, but he could have send diplomats to the other 2 superpowers in the world, but he was just to prideful for it. So in the end that poor diplomacy got the alliance has his enemy.
a war that started long before bfa.
mi point was that at least, you managed to get revenge on the person that was the most responsible for their downfall.
Except, they did know. Do understand that Vol’jin visited Zandalar when Zul was off in Pandaland. He knew what was going on there.
You’re mistaking the Horde for the Zandalari.
When? And regardless that wasn’t and still isn’t the case. Sylvanas had to literally ask for Talanji’s permission to use her ships in 8.2.
Yes. Because they weren’t at war and had a lot of reason not to be. But the Alliance still had Talanji imprisoned. Zul doesn’t matter.
Not for fun, but yes there is evidence. It’s called the Champion of the Light encounter. You have zero evidence and are just asking questions to deflect.
No it was not. It was about whether or not they got “humiliated.” Which is what Jaina did.
No. It was just the Alliance’s stupidity. And also, Rastakhan never trusted Zul all that much. The only surprise came when he discovered that not just Zul, but almost the entire Zanchuli council rose up against him.
You’re avoiding the statement and detailing it to another.
I’m kind of getting sick of repeating myself and playing these little games of baseless assumptions with you. Not to mention this entire post is about Saurfang and Thrall’s Cinematic And NOT TELDRASSIL.
Cannibal is wrong. That passage is plainly written in what is called “limited omniscient point of view,” and the whole section, not just the bolded part, is written from Anduin’s point of view. It’s a pretty standard third person perspective in which the narrative voice comes from the perspective of a particular character and has access to all their sense perceptions, thoughts and feelings. It’s also a form of unreliable narration, because it is limited to that character’s perceptions and biases. Thus, we have access to what he observes and thinks, but no one else.
There is no indication that we are shifting between Anduin’s PoV and an unnamed, neutral PoV. That would be very confusing, for one thing, but also is not needed to explain what we read. That is plain old limited omniscient PoV.
The Harry Potter books are classic examples of this type of narration. Or To Kill a Mockingbird, if you prefer.
PS I have 2 graduate degrees in English and have taught it for many years. Point of view can be confusing in some texts. This is not one of them.
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No, the horde and the alliance only know the zandalari that attacked them, and that was zul, who did had rasthakan blessing.
No. the zandalari attacked anglepoint: is that… a zandalari with a orgri tabard? yes or no?
https://i.imgur.com/LpLFtVW.jpg
Then in the faction assaults, we can see some zandalari ballistas in tiragarde.
the horde stolen the abyssal scepter and rasthakan put in in his vault.
nathanos himself says it.
then, sylvanas herself says that “thanks to your efforts, the horde has secured the might of the zandalari fleet”
You don’t believe me? Start of 8.1:
Wrong. see above.
The alliance tried to capture zul, and talanji put a target above her head because she was travelling with him, and yes they were at open war.
tell me, did genn or jaina, the actual leaders of the attack wanted to kill civilians? in fact, they tried to avoid them.
nathanos wasn’t the one who burned teldrassil. that was sylvanas.
Wrong, if he had any suspicion he would never have let his daughter travel with him in the first place.
except that one thing leads to the other, that is the nature of the threads.
so, what is your point then?
Do you agree that the nelfs deserve revenge for teldrassil yes or no?.
Actually the zandalari helped the horde invade anglepoint during the alliance war campaign in which you see zandalari troops fighting alongside horde troops and this happens before the raid
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Sorry, you’re wrong.
That doesn’t mean they were allied and that all Zandalari were fighting the Kul Tirans. That’s just a Zandalari who joined the Horde.
It doesn’t matter. The Zandalari weren’t apart of the Horde.
No. I’m not.
No. Talanji was not with Zul. She went exploring the world on her own ship. Zul was in Pandaria at the time.
Where was that said?
He had a part in it. It wasn’t Sylvanas alone.
Again this is completely wrong. Zul and Talanji travelled separately.
I’m just straightening out your biased perception of the lore which you keep twisting to suit your narrative. Tell me, why do you want “Horde Favoritism” so much?
Yes, and they already did. BoD And Lordaeron were both Horde losses. Meanwhile, the Alliance only had one. (Lordaeron was a loss of Horde land, therefore a loss).
That doesn’t matter. Those Zandalari joined on their own accord. Only in 8.1.5 did Talanji make it OFFICIAL that all Zandalari would stand alongside the Horde.
Because last time I checked, those Zandalari ships in the harbor weren’t flying Horde flags.
i dunno about that, because in the beginning of the horde war campaign sylvanas says the horde has secured the might of the zandalari fleet.
And does that mean they were allied? No. The Zandalari had only allied with the Horde in 8.1.5 after the Battle for Dazar’alor.
yes, yes it does. “thanks to your efforts the horde has secured the might of the zandalari fleet, all that remains is to finish breaking our foes…then we will have victory in this war” does not leave much room for interpretation
this coupled with the fact that zandalari troops help the horde invade angepoint points to them not just being individuals who joined of their own accord as you claimed and instead being a joint military operation between the zandalari empire and the horde against the kingdom of kul’tiras
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