Blizzard had a chance to fix the gearing issue when it came to boosting, PvErs requiring PvP gear, and casuals who strictly want to PvP being at a severe ilevel disadvantage in comparison to higher rated PvPers, boosts and raiders.
Playing field in PvP should be close to even, there’s no need for such huge power gaps.
They got it partially correct but still haven’t quite nailed it.
The glaring issue is that the ilevel difference will still be extravagant and make it very difficult for newer players and alts to gear without being at a huge disadvantage.
That screenshot is omega-cringe. Imagine thinking you deserve to be more powerful than Mythic raiders in World PvP simply because you allowed other players to beat you in Skirmish matches.
Lol.
This whole “debate” is a fabricated issue from a minority of really bad really vocal players who think they “deserve” to beat other players simply because other players beat them, without ACTUALLY getting better, as well as content creators shilling for views from those disgruntled vocal players.
If that’s the case, why shouldn’t 2100-2400 arena players be able to compete with Mythic raid gear in mythic raids?
Can’t favor one side and not the other.
PvP gear should be crap in PvE.
PvE gear should be crap in PvP.
WoD gearing was like that and it was great.
PvP is not like PvE where there’s a set boss that doesn’t get any stronger nor change strats, you go in knowing what you’re getting.
The problem is the ilevel difference.
How do you expect somebody who’s new or an alt to compete with somebody 30 ilevels more than they are ontop of possibly being better than them?
Higher ratings should bring more conquest per week.
PvP gear should be a base ilevel that scales when it engages in PvP combat so it doesn’t intrude on PvE raids and vice versa.
And tbh, judging by your honor level and lack of PvP achievements you haven’t PvP’d at all this expansion nor ever.
You’re clueless tbh.
And for the record the screenshot is a SCALED ilevel meaning it would only be scaled that high in pvp combat.
220 ilvl gear will do just fine in Mythic raids. Not BIS but good enough. 220 Scale is better than anything else, and it will be the same with PvP gear - if you prefer Versa Crit over Haste Mastery, then a 220 PvP piece might be better than a 226 from raid for instance.
Their solution is not a problem in this regard.
You slowly work your way up the ladder.
This expansion? Nah.
Ever? Not on this account. PVP’d plenty in BC/WOTLK though. I’ve been on the “Primarily PvPer but raid on the side” side of the fence… but I’ve never been on the “bad player” side of the fence, so I guess I am clueless about the concerns of people who are stuck at 1400 rating and can’t progress.
For good players, this system Blizzard has suggested is fine - in fact, in a sense if you’re a pure PvPer and you don’t suck at the game you’re actually better off - PvP gear, aside from superior itemization, is also going to be the objectively highest ilvl gear in PvP, beyond even Mythic Sylvanas tier loot.
Primary stat scales way better than secondary, the 226 piece trumps it based on that alone.
Oh ok, yeah I know you don’t PvP but when you’re 200 ilevel vs somebody who either bought boosts or mythic raids at 1400-1500 how do you expect them to win with that amount of deficit?
You’re missing the point entirely that being the ilevel deficit will make it near impossible to progress due to 30+ level difference.
Doesn’t matter how good you are, I myself am a multi glad player and if you don’t want to take my word for it go watch rank 1s try to q with that deficit.
If you join the game late, an alt or you’re a new player you’re at a huge disadvantage that shouldn’t be a thing in PvP.
PvP shouldn’t be about iLevel should be an even playing field.
Yes and it was great in WoD.
In TBC/WoTLK the gear difference wasn’t really there at all, you could pick up an honor set or previous season set and use that to grab a SINGLE SET of new season gear as you climbed.
There was never a 30 ilevel difference, it’s too much.
Even if there’s a more skilled player with less gear, they can do very little to outplay them with that amount of deficit.
A ret with mythic raid or build a boost pvp gear vs somebody on a fresh 200 ilevel alt can near one shot them.
Seriously though if we had reforging, full enchants, and normal gem slots on everything again, as well as bringing back PvP templates in PvP combat… /le sigh
Do you actually sim your gear? That isn’t always true. On my shaman Haste and Crit are worth 50% more than Mastery. A lot of gear in Castle Nathria has a way too much mastery and you’ll use lower ilvl stuff because you get more DPS if you have better optimized stats.
Again, you can’t even respond logically to anything else I posted.
Your response is to “git gud” because you cant think of a real logical way to counter act anything I’m saying; you also don’t PvP so have never experienced it yourself.
Okay… but we were literally talking about how you were concerned with PvP gear being usable in a Mythic raid. A 220 PvP gear piece might be better than a 226 Mythic raid item for Mythic raiding. You said you thought PvP gear was useless in PvE with this change, but even with -6 ilvls it is still good in many cases.
it is better to express power gaps via percentage rather than ilvl, ilvl can be scaled in a number of different ways
e.g. I like when the maximum power/survivability gap in pvp between honor geared players and BIS conquest gear is 5-10%
my own take on gearing is that it will continue to suck when rating rewards increased power instead of cosmetics
and no we do not need complete crossover between pve and pvp gear, they have completely different activity goals and are thus poorly suited for mixing as if those goals didn’t matter
if you think this is the case, you are incredibly not a smart person and need to look into the systems before you speak and better yet, just not speak.
i’d use some more fancy words, but blizzard isn’t a fan of them
Then you have no idea about the problems of PvP. PvPrs want WoD gearing, Blizzard made the situation worse by making these changes. It’s actually better if they don’t implement these changes at all
How would you know what’s best for PvP if you don’t even play it at all? Let us have our system, you get to have yours. These new changes suck and almost everyone dislikes it
