Never used to care about raider IO

Raider IO is the best thing to happen in this game. During this week with the +6 spamming I have given some lower scores (less than 1000 season 3) a chance and they always prove why their score is that low. Most lust classes don’t even hit the button and I beat their dps as the tank (literally 10k above them overall), but hey I get good karma points for carrying them is the only upside.

So yeah, why again should someone invite a 500 IO player when there are literally 2500 players trying to get in the same key. Would you rather a surgeon whose done 1000 successful surgeries or one that has done 5 operate on you? Same concept applies to Raider IO. GL getting your score up.

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The problem isn’t so much raiderio as it is the meta that has evolved over this expansion for m+ for better or for worse. Things like kicks are super important and a mage doesn’t have the worlds best kick. Try picking something that can kick good, like rogue, or warrior. I think you’ll find you’ll get more groups this way. Also, don’t take any decline personally. Lots of keys have tons of applicants in the dps department and dps number 5001 isn’t much different from dps 320

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I mean there’s two sides to everything. I totally get it. Even players with 2k + score are playing as a DH will spam blade dance and kill non elites around a named mob and bolster it 5 times making it have 10mil hp merely because they either didnt have the intelligence or couldn’t control their ego from single targetting. This is what I personally think about when I invite people to my groups. Are they going to understand the mechanics of the dungeon and the affixes present. If you have zero score then chances are you probably don’t. Is that wrong?

Mages are incredibly good right now.

OP’s problem stems from an overestimation of his value as a DPS and his skills as an individual.

Far better players than OP get constantly declined from M+ groups because there’s basically 20 DPS applying and only 3 DPS slots. He’s not guaranteed to get a group even if he’s playing a strong DPS, if he has nothing to prove that he isn’t a stronger contender than the other 10-15 DPS vying for the same spot.

Also if you’re failing 7’s, even this early in the season, that’s still a pretty bad look.

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I’ll skip that on a +2 if I can help it. Ugh.

This is absolutely wrong unless were living in separate universes. There will never be a 8/8M raider with no m+ experience because to min/max which they would of done you need to do m+. 1kio is really low and to me shows nothing vs 8/8M im willing to bet the mythic raider would be much better.

Unless its a warlock then maybe id take the 1kio dude unless he was a warlock too.

Do you think the problem is your IO score, or is it that we are 3 days into a new season and there are probably 100+ DPS signing up for every key? Also your IL is relatively low. I’ve just done world content and I am almost the same IL.

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It’s the worst.

Drew was being hypothetical, of course CE mythic raiders min/max and most will have significant mythic+ experience.

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Even if Raider IO was removed players would find another way to gate keep. Your issue isn’t with Raider IO it’s with the community.

That’s been pretty much my life this expansion. Feelsbadman.

Gatekeeping is necessary to PuG’ing any content that has a chance of failure.

It’s the only reason pre-made groups have a higher level of quality than LFR groups.

Chances are anyone who has ce does have a high io, yes, but I was comparing metrics and content for the sake of the argument that raiding bears 0 influence on m+. The fact that I have to clarify this is pretty depressing.

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Agreed, raiding and mythic+ are two different forms of content. You can make as many mistakes as you need in raiding and still progress; in mythic+, you’re looking for the cleanest (and fastest) run possible to push that key.

If people are asking for 1200 io for a 4 then avoid them at all costs they are looking for mass carries

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Right now it’s not very uncommon. It’s the beginning of the season. People are probably going to use last season as a guide for the next few weeks until people have had the time to get anywhere from this one. Plus with scaling a 4 is closer to an 8 or a 9 from last season.

I’m not sure that it’s really to blame, when we’re pugging a 5th we’ll often just grab the highest item level person in the list and see how it goes, the other 20 dps under the top person didn’t even get a look in really (and not because of their raider-io score).

I think it just comes down to a massive amount of people to chose from so everyone misses out other than that 1 lucky person lol

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M+ is far more forgiving of mistakes than raiding is.

Unless you’re doing extremely high keys, like 20+, very rarely is a singular death, or even wipe, enough to kill a key.

M+ is no Gold CM. Unless you’re being ridiculously inefficient (like spending 30s+ between pulls), you will pretty much always have enough time to act as a buffer for a few mistakes.

Woah careful there…these guys think they are gods for completing 15s.

The amount of times a “high” mythic+ player joins the raid and is complete trash is so high that its funny at this point. Vs a competent raider joining a mythic+.

They are pretending that “stand here” or “pot skip here” isn’t completely trivialized by comms.

Linked my account, still doesn’t show my mains score from previous season/seasons.

That’s pretty relative.

Higher keys are substantially less forgiving than any raid. The expectation of 20 people isn’t the same as 5. Keys scale, raids don’t.

That’s also fairly wrong, but I guess that is to be expected when your highest key is a 16.

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I don’t raid mythic, so that’s absolutely not something I can speak of, but I know in heroic if you have one idiot who dies in the fire every other pull you aren’t going to wipe. Mythic you can’t say that when you’re doing above 15s.