Never used to care about raider IO

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This was literally the ENTIRE topic. People asking for 1200 IO for things as low as 4s. My whole argument was it is ridiculous that I need to push my way through bullcrap keys then my own high keys just to get in to something as low as a 4.

The rest of what everyone on here is saying must be salt from their previous arguments they also lost about why raider IO is a good thing.

Things like why raider IO is helpful I agreed with.

Things people are arguing with me about that I never said:

Keys 10 and above are hard
I’m better than everyone
Raider IO doesn’t show experience
Raider IO is the sole problem
Heroic raiding means you are a god
The amount of DPS that exist

Things I am saying but people seem to ignore:

How raider IO does not show actual player skill.

How if they want a system like this it should be based on performance not just amount ran

How only doing keys ever in the game is only half of end game and while it does qualify you to comment on mythic+ it in no way qualifies you to comment on player skill or status in any way.

How almost all the get gud people are rogues and demon hunters who get accepted on a dime for their class (which they claim isn’t a thing). I guess they think they just win the dps lottery every run.

But to answer your questions yes, I and a few people I know are getting told why we are getting denied. Of course there are 1000s of DPS and even if you equate 60% of that to being denied it is still an issue. Getting told at the start of a season “IO score too low”, seeing descriptions saying 1200+ only when they are advertising a +3 is a problem.

Getting denied because your iLvl is too low is easily fixable, getting denied because your class isn’t the greatest happens to most classes at some point, getting denied because of my score on this new character when I have a dozen other mages who have done 10-13s just fine and happen to have rerolled is dumb.

This is going to be fun. I’m over halfway to neck 75, sorry I wasn’t mindlessly grinding last patch to be ready.

I did t run +10s ever? This character didn’t exist until the patch…you sir are a genius.

I took the trinket off so it doesn’t proc on the low level raids I was doing for ach. You are that dumb to think I’m running around the game minus a trinket?

The first time you have done ANYTHING raid wise was nyalotha while I’ve aotcd and downed about halfway through mythic every raid before we go play other games.

Your entire argument is built around how a mechagnome mage has never ran a dungeon this expansion…k.

The rest of it was bashing my gear which is just as high as yours…and how you somehow think I’m running around minus a trinket because what? I felt like it and how dare they not invite me missing an entire item?

Please just sit down man, wouldn’t want you to hurt yourself.

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Then link those characters to your alt? Raiderio is a resume. It shows experience and helps filter groups. Armory, logs, ilvl and other metrics have always been used to do this.

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You can get into your own group can’t ya?

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Probably because only a couple people out of thousands do that.

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That I can, did my TD+7.

It’s cool to lock pick those doors as my mage.

My friend had the axe from the stone boss in raid, apparently it’s glitches and pulls through the floors in TD. Pulled the bosses a couple floors up multiple times and wiped, was pretty funny.

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Plenty of people make groups without raider io. Why don’t you do the same?

Blizz makes all this info publicly available. Your issue should be with blizz, not raider io.

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It does though. It shows everything about the player that the current technology allows for, except for player attitude.

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This. When ppl say ban Raiderio it’s like saying ‘ban recordkeeping’ so ppl can’t judge my non-existent experience.

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No my entire argument is about what people see when they look at you. Which is the ONLY thing they can base their decision on. They don’t know you have other mages, don’t know what these mages did, don’t know about your excuses as to why you accomplished less than other DPS in the same list.

And guess what?

They don’t care even a little, they will invite whoever looks the best on paper because there’s nothing else to do as a group leader. No one will investigate your past, no one will send you the pity-invite you beg for, no one knows if you’re good or not, no one knows how you will perform in the group.

What they see is a mage with very little accomplishment and everybody in their right mind would prefer to invite the guy next to you who shows that he did more with just a quick glance.

You’re taking what I’m saying as an insult, what I’m saying is stop complaining and get to work soldier, crying about io won’t make people stop using it, it won’t remove io from the game. Your only option is to adapt and find a way to get that score up there.

Here are your useful options:

  • Make your own group with your keys
  • Run with friends or guildies
  • Work on other things that could make you look more interesting to invite like nyalotha heroic kills, neck at 75 (which btw requires absolutely zero mindless farming specially since this week it’s even faster than last week), replacing these very low azerite armor, etc. all the things that other people applying to the same groups as you have over you

That’s it (there’s also buying carries but that’s for sissies).

Do you see “complain on the forum” in that list? Nope, that’s because it’s not a useful option.

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It shows experience though, and that is valuable when a timer is in the equation.

Which would be very hard to do. All raider.io does is pull information from the WoW armory, something blizzard makes readily available.

I’ve never seen anyone do this seriously. The few I have seen are obvious trolls.

I actually never really see this either. Dps having a hard time getting invites is common knowledge. I get quick invites because I’m a tank.

So…link your account to raider.io so that you can label one of those supposed mages as your main so it’s score shows up on any other character you run with.

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9 times out of 10, these ban Raiderio posts are started by dps mains who don’t understand there are literally thousands of other dps queuing for the same spot.

If there is ever a reason to become a tank main for instant invites, this is it. I did.

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Joining a guild makes all of these problems go away.

Also, Raiderio NEEDS to exist. When the game lets you AFK your way to 120 with no clue on how to play your class, well, sorry. Do 2s, 3s and 4s, before you know it you’ll be at 800 or so io and won’t have any problems.

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Yeah, healers have it pretty good, too. Can’t remember the last time I was declined . . . I guess my holy paladins get declined occasionally, but it’s still pretty rare.

I even started an rdruid alt on my husband’s account late last season; rebuilt an IO score from scratch. Do your double affixes, then your triples; once you’re around 900 IO, you can get invited to reliable 10s and build out your score.

Too many people want instant gratification and don’t want to work for their rewards.

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That and I found (at least as a tank) I could usually get into 10s quick each season if my ilvl was decent and my last season io was around 1k.

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You’re putting together a group for a high level key. If you fail, your key drops a level and you have to do this all over again just to get back to where you are right now. Given no other information about a player, who are you going to choose:

Player A who has completed dozens of high level keys

OR

Player B who has completed a few low level keys, maybe one or two high level keys

It’s not even a question. Player B may be a super star in the making, but with no way to know that (and a much higher probability that he/she is an inexperienced scrub), Player A is the obvious choice.

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Pretty much. Before this it was ilvl. Before that was achievements. Before that it was literally just inspecting players. There will always be some level of players inspecting and judging other players when they make groups. Why does this task need to take hours?

I remember making raid groups and having people come to me so I could see exactly what they were gemming, enchanting, etc.

RaiderIO is just a tool of convenience. The same players getting denied with the addon will be the same getting denied without it.

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You’re ignoring a lot of the points though. You don’t know who else is applying unless you’re already in the group, it’s really that simple. And yes, I’d take someone with a 1000io score with 0 raiding experience over someone with a 400 io and cutting edge. I have absolutely no way of knowing the raider knows the affix mechanics. It’s not an insult, it’s just how it is. There’s complaints all over the forums right now of people not being able to figure out the mechanics in visions, and these are people with aotc and ce achievements. Sorry, your argument of experience < skill is just wrong.

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It’s not even just the affix mechanics, either. Sometimes, it’s just straight-up knowing what is possible in a dungeon, and what is not.

There are a lot of strats that you won’t find in guides, stuff that you learn from running the maps. It’s positioning, i.e. how ranged DPS/heals will stand on the ledges in SotS to avoid Galecaller’s tornadoes. It’s QoL stuff, like pot skips and how not to bork them for your team. Are you prepared to take a hit during Skittish weeks? Are you constantly thinking one to two minutes ahead on the map, and preparing for the next challenge?

So yeah, I’m always going to take the players who have invested more time and effort into mythic+. It almost always pays off.

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There was supposed to be an and in between there, but yeah. You’re mentioning a lot of stuff that is pretty useless on a pug 10 key though. If you’re pugging a key that low, usually the last thing you want to do is try and coordinate skips on the fly because 9 times out of 10 someone botches it and you end up wasting more time than you saved. I imagine once gear is more readily accessible and YouTube starts blowing up 15s this season will look pretty similar. I don’t think I started maximizing my efficiency with skips and half the things you mentioned till I started doing 12’s to 13’s.

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That’s fair. I have seen my fair share of players in +10s who can’t figure out how to skip the bridge in SotS. :rofl:

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