Thats cuz this week you get heroic raid gear from 5 heroics, thats why 1.8k io people are there, next week it will be back to normal
And itâs a constant reply theme lately smdh. I get itâs a currently recurring concept in a lot of discourse lately because it wasnât discussed or looked into or understood and now it is and itâs being more widely recognized than previously thought was the case, but attributing every negative behavior to mental health rather than just people making poor decisions is unfair and really unhelpful in a player base already plagued with problems around interacting with each other.
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if youre not pulling boss to boss youre trolling. at any ilvl the whole group will live and not even get sub 90%. they want the doungen to take 8 min instead of 20 with you pulling pack by pack. youre the problem
If you arenât in mythic+ there is no reason to take pack by packâŚ
If you did that in TBC timewalking you would get wiped by the trash because they were overtuned. So no the problem here is people like you trying to tell the tank how to do their job when youâre not the tank. Heaven forbid your run take a little longer and everyone live vs going at light speed and wiping every other second. Heaven forbid your run take 10 minutes instead of 8. Whatever will you do. If I had a copper in game for every time a DPS says junk like you did and wiped, I would have enough to buy my 4th warbank tab at 500k gold.
Let the tank do the pulling and you stick to DPS. If you want to go faster, then ask âcan we pull a little moreâ. Alot of times they will. If they donât, then donât get your fee fees hurt and try to âspeed things upâ on your own. Or you could dare I say it, tank it yourself and then you donât have to worry about so called bad tanks.
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incorrect. See TBC timewalking as an example where the trash was overtuned and could one shot if too much was pulled. Like I said to the other guy, if you want the tank to go faster, ask if they can pull more. Alot of times they will. If they donât, then donât try to âspeed it up for himâ because then youâre the problem that needs to know your place as a DPS. Or you could tank it yourself.
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Iâve big pulled them recently and healed through big pulls⌠itâs not that deep.
No need to go pack to pack, big pulls are fine.
Even if you have, youâre one guy with one experience in a sea of players. If you and the group as a whole agree to fast pulls then you do you. Otherwise youâve got no business as a DPS trying to pull âforâ the tank or similar. You want faster pulls then ask, and you might actually get them. Or you can tank it yourself. Junk like that gets people into a bad habit of then trying to apply it in mythics and ruining keys. Tanks donât need to go so slow you can read War and Peace cover to cover, but likewise if they or the group arenât comfortable with chain pulling the entire instance, then they donât need to.
If you want faster pulls you have several options, ask for them, tank it yourself, and/or form your own groups where itâs not an issue. Otherwise youâre doing nothing but pushing bad habits on the playerbase, then wonder why you have a tank shortage later.
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Thankfully, we have votekick to get rid of players like you.
Oh noes, someone is going to try to kick me for actually being a proper tank and not a chain-pulling hobo and leave their group without a tank while I can insta queue again later. Whatever will I do?
Seriously dude, know your place as a DPS and quit encouraging bad behavior then wondering why you have no tanks. If you ever want to know why you have a tank shortage, look in the mirror. That kick system works both ways and I take great joy in kicking overly arrogant DPS like you from my groups.
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I donât have issues with finding tanks.
Rather have less unqualified tanks.
So youâre going to forgo tanking yourself then? Good to know there will be one less unqualified tank in the ether.
I tank if it suits me.
Have tanked in the past, for raids too. Lower key as well.
Itâs either adhd, bipolar disorder or theyâre dealing with someone with borderline or narcissistic personality disorder everytime somebody does something they donât like.
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you are the sad clown coming in and being so utterly and intentionally disingenuous.
Where in their post did you think they were only worried about their io?
I legit thought I was crazy thinking that it used to not have a GCD lol.
yup. I made a similar post about why there are no healers. A lot of healers are sick and tired of having to constantly babysit people like the ones OP mentioned in their run. I bump into those people all the damn time. I get it, its heroics and can be facerolled.
Doesnât mean you need to be a rude jerkface and completely disrepect the natural order of t hings.
The tank gets kicked in the face a billion times so that we donât have to.
The healer keeps their face nice and shiny
Everybody else sits down, shuts up, and does their damn job by killing things and interrupting and using your damned CC instead of making the tanks and healers do it all.
Seriously, itâs gotten to the point for me where I almost just want to do a full tank run with like one healer to make sure nobody dies. Half the tanks do more damage than the dps, are easier to heal, understand mechanics, and tend to not always be afk in the headâŚas often.
Seriously, if I could cut dps out as a role for a while I would. Until they can learn how to stop standing in everything.
And donât give me that crap, whoever tries to say itâŚthem being new is only an excuse a few times. And when you decide to sign up for harder content, you better be prepared. Itâs that simple. I was new once. And I quickly learned that nobody wants to carry me, so I did what I could to git gudder.
For some reason, it feels like the mentality now days is âjust bum rush it and worry about the consequences after I leave the group because one person died and I canât handle any level of failure because I am, emotionally, still just a little child who canât accept their own mistakes nor learn form themââŚ
Thatâs a quote from those kids of people, dont mind me. They really do say crap like thatâŚclearly the truth lol. Donât question it or look into it at all.
Again, seriously, being new is only an excuse for a handful of people because even most new players can be quick in the head. I mean, I see this. DF came out and my GF finally started trying WoW. She quickly decided she hated even trying to say anything in chat because every time she asked even a basic question, people would say the most absurd and stupid crap possible just to not answer the question. Just trolls everywhere.
But she was able to keep up with me up until about M11ish at the end of Season 3.
Thats right. My gf went from entirely new to video games period, to being able to do M+10s on a consistent basis, as Arcane mage no less, and was keeping up. Sure, third dpsâŚbut that was comparing a new player to me, lol, and friend of mine who straight up is an arena and m+ god. Heâs already clearling like 12s right now and pushing fast as hell. I canât keep up. But the fact that a new arcane mage can figure it out in less than a couple weeks after never playing games her whole life?
man, now that I think about it I feel like a jerk for hyping this game up so much. I let my nostalgia get in the way there. She was swiftly disabused of the notion that this game would be fun when any mistake she made almost certainly led to some nerdrage from some fool with no brain who doesnât understand that they are getting out dpsed by a new arcane mage, even though the troll themselves has been playing for years.
Time played doesnât equal skill.
Ilvl doesnât equal skill. Hell, even metrics can lie when you log data because people might not know how to properly interpret the data and make bad decisions based on half-formed data.
The only way to see if somebody can do a thing, is to invite them and let them learn.
But too many people shut you out of so much content just based on nothing but your ilvl.
Even with a 1500 rating I still struggle to get into +2s, even though I can clearly do +3 and +4 just fine.
Making a group doesnât solve the issue, it just means I have to be the one paying attention for the next hour as 2 dps sign up in five seconds and we wait 20+ minutes for a healer and then either instantly get a tank or still wait another 15 minutes for a tankâŚ
only to have the tank pull to first boss with no warning or communication, so the healer leaves or we wipe a bunch on trash because god forbid a tank ever did a normal pull lol.
I think I have done about 30 m+ at this point, and only twice did the tank do things like a tank should. Itâs absurd to think that any of them have any success on their own. I have seen my fair share of tanks that are for sure getting carried by the dps.
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Then do content where this ânatural orderâ prevails.
Content on the low end can function without tanks, so people play as if there are no tanks.
Donât need healers, so people play as if there are no healers.
Monks would love to tank, but Blizzard is hellbent on making all of their specs over-complicated messes.
Shamans would also love to tank, but Blizzard wonât give them an Earth spec (Doomhammer could be the Artifact for it).
never seen such a gigantic lie in my life lol.
Seen more than enough groups fail even in heroic because they pulled without the healer.
dear god, people are just desperate to be disingenuous as all hell today. Must be something in the air.
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Was healer present?
If so, thereâs the expectation to contribute.
When healer dies, everyone suddenly lives 3x longer.
And were you the healer thus your contribution is expected?
Like before m+ was released, was healing hunter tanking 3 packs. Yes, a hunter.