the reality is that prot paladins are just so extraordinarily overpowered in every aspect of tank metric:
- damage output
- mitigation/tankiness
- utility - mass silence on a 60 second cooldown, 12 second ranged interrupt with a refreshable cooldown everytime you take dmg, stand alone interrupt, magical immunity external to party member (spellwarding) on a four minute cooldown, 30% damage reduction to a party member (blessing of sac) on a one minute cooldown. Cleanse poisons and diseases
prot paladins are just such an unhealthy outlier for the current state of mythic plus. why they arenât getting a severe nerf in all three of these areas, i have no idea.
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Nerf pve tank prot pally. As a solution make PVP prot pally an option ? Would be NEAT! 
we canât just ânerfâ prot paladin damage.
they are overpowered in a much more systemic manner - we canât simply tune the numbers on prot paladins to make them balanced.
we need to, at the very least, remove blessing of sacrifice and spellwarding. Putting those sort of group survivability tools on a tank can never be balanced.
and remove the interrupt/silence effect from avenger shield - allow prot paladins to keep avenger shield for damage and holding threat, but take away the silence effect. Tanks simply donât need infinite interrupts.
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I enjoy BDK, VDH and Prot War
In that order.
But BDK feels like 1 misplayed GCD and youâre going splat.
VDH, just feels underwhelming after how good it felt in S3 and S4
And Prot War is better than itâs been for a while but Iâm not sure how the changes are going to have it go.
It takes a fun tank and destroys both its fun in offensive and defensive abilities all because some dev who donât play warrior has had a random knee jerk reaction to an issue no one had and decided that despite a ton of feedback to the negative they are going to nerf rage generated by as much as 50% completely ignoring the warrior player base and killing the fun of a tanking class who isnât even meta right now. We are not listening to player feedback should never be Blizzards motto but they are ignoring warriors and monks fairly heavy right now.
This is the one and only problem that needs addressed. Survivability, damage, that can all be tuned to where all tanks are gods for all I care. Spam interrupts in a game now where interrupts are king is grossly unbalanced.
If they want to keep it so the initial cast of divine toll interrupts I think that would be appropriate, but the spam interrupts of resonance and regular shield casts needs addressed.
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May our thunderous roar be heard in Skyhold.
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Oh that Thunder was me missing the jump from Skyhold⌠my bad.
From an average +14 log of Prot Paladin,
30% damage reduction on RF works out to be roughly 60k dps loss in keys like SV.
I donât think its going to actively affect Prot Paladinâs status as top DPS by that much. Theyâll be roughly equal to other tanks now, but still the top damage by a smaller margin.
Strength in Adversity was an unnecessary change imo.
Well everyone will be beating Warrior due to the 50% rage generation nerfs.
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The nerfs theyâve done this patch are pretty big.
Lightforged Blessing got a 50% nerf and thatâs a decent amount of self healing (40-50mil a dungeon). Passive mitigation is also going to go down with the nerf to Strength in Adversity.
Prot Paly is already pretty squish and Iâm on the edge of my seat constantly on a lot of these pulls in Grim Batol. Granted itâs not as bad as prior to the Prot Paly revamp.
The change to Utherâs Counsel makes it take roughly an extra 30-45s to reset bubble and Lay on Hands which is pretty big.
If Holy Paladins become the new meta then Prot Palyâs are definitely going to be less represented. Historically itâs always been the rise of Bear Tanks in the 2nd season which happened in DF and Shadowlands.
Well Image they doubled the mana cost/holy power of all abilities on Paladin. That about what they are doing to Warrior right now and Blizzard is just ignoring feedback on it. Nerfing Rage a little would have been one thing but nerfing almost every rage generation we have is just foolish. It hurts both the dmg we output and the defensives we have at the same time. It utterly kills Colossus warrior to rage starve a spec that was already rage starved. And yet there is 0 feedback from Blizzard about any of this. Not even a we hear your concerns.
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They gave us feedback though. They told us they were happy with the current state of Warrior. Which just proves that theyâre clueless.
We really need to stop calling for other classes to be nerfed and actually start asking Blizzard to completely redesign Warrior from the ground up. We bring Rallying Cry, Battle Shout and Spell Reflect to a Mythic+ group (Which is what all these threads are usually about) and that completely pales in comparison to basically every other class/spec combination. Buffing an ability here or there isnât going to solve the problem of an empty toolkit. They need to get back to the drawing board with this entire class and start constructing it with the design and scope of the gameâs content loop in mind.
They want a hybrid abomination of a Class/Hero Shooter meets an MMO? Fine, design Warrior to actually bring something to the table that gives us more utility and viability in group content. Demanding other classes to be nerfed doesnât solve the problem, it just makes you feel good for five minutes.
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Most fun I had with Prot Paladin was SL. Tons of holy power generation, Lay on Hands sized WoGs on tap to send to allies every 1.5 seconds if I needed, lots of inturupts and great damage if teammates didnât require healing. Way back then I could get 5.5million heals per second just healing myself on a training dummy and MORE heals if I had damaged teammates. Being the highest healer, damage dealer, and inturuper, at the same time was awesome.
Now Prot paladin is ok, as the healing was heavily nerfed, and other tanks are bad as their damage and inturupts are less. I donât blame Prot Paladin players for this or want them nerfed. Other tanks can be brought up to match at least survivability and damage.
Nym you didnât read the end of the first post did you?
I didnât make this to honestly ask for Paladin nerfs I made this post to let 2 certain paladins use it to make posts rather than constantly go to warrior posts and derail them.
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Thatâs entirely fine. My post was largely not directed at you specifically but something I think the community as a whole needs to stop doing. Just my two cents on the whole thing. Iâd generally like to see more rebuilds than nerfs as the first step Blizzard take when addressing balance. Nerfs just put the problem to the back of the to-do list.
Oh I 100% agree no one should be asking for nerfs for other things but buffs. Poor Brewmaster Monk needs so much love. Why they didnt focus on that and focused on nerfing Warriors shows just how out of touch the devs are.
Going to be honest, at this point they should give Brewmaster a giga buffed set piece or something. Something that acknowledges the spec needs lots of work, but until then hereâs a shiny toy.
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