That’s a missplay, I suppose. I should correct my statement, if you play correctly, you don’t have to overlap your def cds to survive tank burster. There are nuances, but I don’t think nitpicking some niches like optional minor def cds, or misplays are good arguments. Top keys are play 18-20 where the dmg is around 50% higher than 13, so if they have to overlap def cd at key 13 then there is no chance for them to survive key 18.
How are you calling it a missplay when you are using HP to keep the party alive?
You are highly fixated on top teams who have everything planned out and are on comms. They know when to use externals and not overlap to cover gaps. That doesn’t happen in pugs.
It’s clear that you are talking about teams and unable to have a nuanced discussion around what happens in pugs which affects most players. In top keys the Prot Paladin isn’t spamming WoG on the group to cover gaps. Obviously they are going to have the HP to pre-wog+AS every time. This isn’t realistic for pugs. It’s either blow HP WoGing the group and double up on defensives or wipe and kill the key. That’s not a missplay on the part of the Paladin.
Guess reading is hard I was doing 6-8 keys as I don’t exactly enjoy M+. I’m more a AotC raider who plays for fun. I used to do hard-core raiding but as I’ve been raiding for 20 years I burned out on it and choose a more casual path.
ok, ok … so this is correct what he is saying here. People have to understand that ALL TANKS clear 10’s 11’s. I have been with every tank they all get the job done and time it. OF COURSE there are rerollers that brick your keys cause they are not seasoned or experienced enough to be a tank and it was easy till +7 +8 then they do a 10 and fail. These are the tanks most people drop the hate on… So yes Pally are strong but they have seen nerfs on ptr. Less healing and shielding to party members well with less effectiveness I should say but it shows. So ppl are saying it is still working well as a support class and does very well in the right hands…
That being said i have tanked on Prot Pally, Warrior, Druid, VDH, and a tickle on Brew and BDK. 8-10 Keys ya man its “easy”. After that 11 and up its experience.
But Classes like Brew, Bdk take more finesse warrior needs more rage on ptr but seems like they know it . The problem is ANYTHING they do to Prot pally from here on out will just dumpster fire the Spec…
Me myself im a 8-11 player in that 95% of people who can clear with Not just Pally…
GoodDay!
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Thats the thing I would prefer no one get nerfed and the weaker tanks be brought up but the only way to get Sosari out of the warrior posts with her lies was to make this and get her to post here.
What did I lie about? You also never came back the next day to explain why the charts for bottom 95%, top 5%, and full key range distribution wasn’t good enough. You literally claimed I was cherry picking data when I have showed you the data from all points, but you want to solely focus on the sub-.1% representation because that’s the only data that supports your argument. Which, by the way, looks the same every season.
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Lol, did you seriously flag this?
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Have you or other ever thought that maybe, 1. Truth hurts? 2. Do not reply to what that person is saying and eventually maybe that person would post less? 3. Ignore? lol. Weird how people are triggered by other and its a never ending loop of Triggerness 
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I have read some of this persons posts all quoted out like some Super nerd analyzing everything and some is correct and some is just over the top… This person knows how to trigger responses… as you know along with many others.
This is why i only read on fourms 
and refrain to typing anything here…
You see the response above me, ya this individual has made it a mission to be all over everything… It is up to you how you deal with it , cause your self misery or let it go walk away 
I wish you all a good day
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Issue is she is purposefully posting on the warrior posts trying to derail them constantly. And its an real issue when anyone sees that as a way to shut down talk they dont like. If she wants to post here more power to her but posting in the warrior posts where we are fighting to not get nerfed is just derailing the post and no one wants to read that while we are fighting.
No I have you blocked if I click on your post then I open them but here:
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See no flag. As I said Im only reporting your post if they are derailing I would not report them here.
I said top keys because they are well known and a reliable source to refer thank to their streaming. Without reliable source, it’s just an endless debate of you say yes me say no.
Back to the talk, If you “have to” overlap def cds to survive 13-15 keys that means other tanks also “have to” overlap cds to survive with either internal or external to survive that key level. This isn’t true because they won’t have enough cds to survive a key 18-20. They also stream pug keys 13+ sometimes. I saw dorki did at the start of the season, I didn’t watch much since then it wouldn’t be hard to find their pug keys. You can also find pug key 13+ tanks without Eye, but they don’t stream so they wouldn’t be a good evidence.
Then it wouldn’t be but that means you traded a minor defensive cd for utility.You can also say you have to overlap bubble with LoH because you need to heal someone. You desperately created a niche situation to prove your point. But those cases are situational.
And again you misunderstood something here, I said that you don’t have to overlap def cds to survive a tank burster, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed from overlapping def cds to survive tank bursters. How to play your character is up to you and there are tons of player playing high or even highest keys without overlapping their cds.
No.
Last time Paladin tanks were on top was ICC. Relax. We’re weeks away from potentially everything changing.
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Which again is a different style of play than the majority of the playerbase who 1) are not in title keys and 2) are pugging. You are glossing over the fact that they are on comms and have everything pre-planned and need as much DPS as possible to time. They are not comparable to pug keys and needing to cover gaps and mistakes.
That’s not overlapping. That’s using two abilities on two separate people.
You can find their pug keys on stream. There are more dps streams than tank streams for pug 15+ keys, but tanks are random pugs, so no comms at all.
It’s ironic and funny that you put down the other guy saying he’s arguing with a prot pally who does high keys, yet you are literally doing the same thing.
You also completely ignored this because you know how ridiculous of an argument it was.
Title or not they pug at non-title keys, and random pug aren’t title players neither. Then if tanks can survive with the same random pug without overlapping their cds, why do you have to ?
I am not ignoring this because you are just trying to argue. You drying HPs on others instead of yourself to maintain the buff and you casting LoH on other instead of yourself. What is the difference ?
I put him down because what he said you didn’t know your class. Because that wasn’t true. However, that doesn’t align with all of your opinions are true. If it was whoever had higher rio hold the hammer, then none of what you and I were talking about is relevant.
You are arguing just to argue at this point.
So you are saying that the streamed runs never have the tank go down that could have been saved from overlapping defensives? You are talking about streamers who are title players and are not making the same mistakes that regular pugs are. I stated multiple times now that the overlaps are situational and explained the conditions.
The difference is clear. One leads to no one dying and the other leads to someone if the group dropping and wasting a BR.
No, this is you because you simply can’t admit that there are situations where overlapping defensives can be required to survive.
This is weird. Did you mean only tanks who make mistakes overlap def cds? What is your point here ?
Jesus, you are just trying to argue. I am done.
I thought you were actually trying to be helpful.
No, not only if the tank makes mistakes. Yes we are all human and make errors so if a tank makes a mistake can be one instance, but also if other group members make a mistake and you need to cover for it. I’ve explained the conditions where it is only when something happens for the tank to not be able to pre-wog+as.
Lmao your argument to the quoted text is completely irrelevant. You asked a question and that was the direct answer to it.
My bad, shouldn’t call you a freak. But anyway, I am done.
if I was a moderator, Just lock, close or just delete this topic as it is childish like crazy… Holly cow you guys are a lot…
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Thats why I made it so those two could post here rather than posting on legit dicussion posts.