They chose to use cross-realm BGs, which existed only for a tiny fraction of Vanilla.
They chose to use 1.12 AV, which existed only for a tiny fraction of Vanilla.
These things combined created the problem. Yes, it was true in Vanilla, for a few months, and people didn’t know yet how to exploit the combination for insane honor gains.
As a result of their poor choices in picking elements that technically existed during Vanilla but are not at all representative of the gameplay experience, an experience has been created that never existed during Vanilla.
Solutions: Remove cross-realm BGs. Revert to an earlier version of AV. Both of these are things that existed during Vanilla, and neither would be considered a change in the same way that something like an outright AV honor nerf would be.
This times 100. They have gone on record saying certain elements of the game they are reverting to an older version because it feels more like vanilla actually did. Please for the love of God apply that logic to AV / Cross realm BG’s and make it not cancer.
I just want to reiterate to the people that continuously say “its not blizzards fault,” you’re right, its not nice to point fingers. The issue is that there is an outrage of the vast majority of the playerbase wanting a fix, and absolutely nothing is being done to fix the situation. It is their game and they are the ones in control for making decisions for the better.
If you look at the timeline of subscriptions over the past few expansions, wow has been dying rapidly. I haven’t even looked at or touched a blizzard game in years (stopped playing in cata), but when they finally stated they were going to release classic, I thought I could give them a second chance. With everything that have been going completely wrong that were not the classic experience, I, much like others, are regretting that decision completely. If they think that people are going to be going back to retail wow to play shadowlands, they are dead wrong. I will never touch another blizzard game again after this. There is zero trust in me giving them money at this point.
You can be blizzard fanboys all you want, but at some you’ll open your eyes and see the game spiral down into nothing.
I dont think that some people actually remember the original AV in the original WoW, with our original 1.0x toons with 1.0x gear and 1.0x abilities.
1.05 recreation in retail is probably not a fair comparison either
of the whole picture.
That’s odd… Whenever I Q solo in the past few weeks, I often see no premade, Alliance team is starting at half capacity, and Horde wins 90% of the time. And this is based on literally over 1k AV qs. Guess you don’t play enough, or just simply not lucky enough to join the ones that you guys win?
I’m all for re-balancing WSG if it’s still within the spirit of Classic wow, but your personal statistics are way off.
I dont mind the Xrealm part
I would like the impossible version of AV though.
But, i would like the NPC’s rebalanced because they will be facing 1.12 toons which are Demigods compared to 1.05 toons.
AV was full of the equivalent of high end raid bosses and heavy duty elites, i’d like to see them stand the same VS a 1.12 toon
You will see silly zerg rush groups suffering total wipes left and right, before they even make it across the BG even.
THEN it will start to become interesting.
You will need to keep that XRBG part though, as the majority of the current AV players will walk away cursing it, as they did back then.
If you keep quitting horde will have shorter Q times…
Why is it 100% necessary to make wsg the top pvp honor earner? Why should blizzard cater to why you specifically want instead of implementing the 1.12 game they told us they were going to…
How is switching the “meta” going to make your PuGs any better at facing a premade which would still happen…
Just another post complaining about not winning the current meta…
As Alliance. But my point is that I have over one thousand data points to compare to, which is more statistically valid to state that your interpretation of the game is not the norm, when compared to a large data pool.
Silly paladin, the reason you are getting stomped in AV when you solo queue as alliance is because the rest of your faction is sitting in a discord premading with each other, and when they dodge a queue pop, you are the one to fill in the slot.
I’m aware of that. I’ve been in premades, but before that I q solo a lot, and still do. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that every premade that dodges an AV, is an easy win for the horde. And again, I have over 1k datapoints to state that 90% of the games are therefore lost. Although it’s not just premade dodging, but also from lack of Alliance coordination.
But I’m not complaining about being stomped. I’m pointing out that your idea that all Horde games end quickly from premades steamrolling you, are simply untrue. For every premade game, there’s like 2-3 Q-dodged AVs that are being backfilled. Now do the math…
All your experience means is that you really haven’t played enough to see how often your side wins, and that whenever you do get a Q, you’ve been unlucky to hit a premade.
Its not that I and only I want WSG the meta, there are 1000s of posts of people wanting the same, both horde and alliance side…
Its not about switching the meta its about creating it fair for both sides, which is what WSG can provide. Both factions can premade if they want to win.
1000s of posts may be exaggerating.
even with the amount of complaints, that does not necessarily mean the complaints represent the majority as usually content players won’t find themselves coming here to applaud a working system.
Switching to making WSG worth more honor and encouraging the premade meta would lock out more people from ranking than it would include. You would be promoting a system that completely shuts out the casual player who can currently join an AV or two each night and at least grab rank 3,4,5,6 through casual play.
So you’d prefer to isolate the entire casual population for both factions and condemn them to facing premade over and over and over. The casuals would quit pvp altogether in that scenario
Not for nothing, but if you can start a big horde movement to only queue for WSG, you will basically create just that, as no alliance will be able to queue for AV due to no opposing team.
So they will have to queue WSG, where Horde can join as group at the click of a button guaranteed.
Haha I like your spirit but you and I both know that would never happen, people are too greedy for honor ranks and would just keep queuing AV cause the time will go down unfortunately.