Nerf AV and buff WSG already

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Unless you are currently rank 11, As in this week or ODT weke you got it, then you shouldn’t worry about what the rest of your faction is doing. The truth is, if you wanted you could compete with the middle and lower honor brackets by only doing wsg despite it being “less honor per hour” because by all calculations it’s really only marginally less if you win every game and still not bad if you win a majority of your games…

So unless you are a hardcore ranker occupying the top 50-75 spots on your server you should just play which battleground you want to play…

Unfortunately a lot of players won’t accept a “lower rate of honor per hour” as a replacement for more fun per bg but those people are just spitting themselves out of FOMO

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I feel like once all the try hards get Grand Marshal the premades will die down. Give it a few more weeks. None of the pre made peeps enjoy AV so they won’t do it if they have already achieved end goal.

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Well, movements can be hard to get started.

And of course, sometimes you get crucified in the process
and the movement starts much later :rofl:

Hey, it is worth a try right?
Stranger things have happened

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Correct me if I’m wrong here but isn’t ranking and pvp supposed to be competitive and not just a pve zerg fest and exploitation to rank 14? or have I been so out of touch with retail wow that this is the norm now.

WSG in vanilla WAS the best way to farm honor by premading. It is the more hardcore battleground to rank with. If casual players are looking to just have a fun time here and there to pvp, that is what AV is for, and to state if the meta were to wsg would lock casual players from lower tier ranks is simple untrue.

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Retail mentality never went away, its just about how to get from point A to point B the fastest then be done or wait for the next big thing. Todays young generation of gamers are use to fast pace consumption of everything then beg for the next thing because they have finished. Developers can’t keep up and therefore we get rushed products like Classic or retail. Yes Classic was rushed because they went with the easiest patch possible so they wouldn’t have to do as much work digging things up.

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I’d be happy with just a nerf to AV. Less change is better, but AV cannot continue like this, why play anything else?

None of my guild pvpers can play with eachother, because to rank you have to just solo AV.

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Yep, we’re all in the same boat, its killing the game.

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Ranking isn’t in retail wow, it got extinct after vanilla. It was always about exploitation, games where you are rewarded for no lifing always end up like that. See D3, every high paragon player is most likely a botter and its the same for ranking there were mutiple account sharing and afk botting people at the time.

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In the beginning, way way back, you did WSG if you wanted to rank fast, and you did AV if you wanted this long epic pVp very hard Raid.
AV did give a ton of honor, but it took a ton of time to finish it.
You did not do 10 or 20 AV’s in a day, WSG you could spam all day long, and join as a full group.

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This is what really sucks about it. Alternatively, they could enable joining AV as a raid in the game. Not sure which change is more in the spirit of Vanilla.

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Right I understand how ranking in vanilla was, you would no life premade WSG all day, which is how it should be.

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If i had to give a personal opinion…
The real spirit of vanilla would allow queuing AV, from both sides, in game, as a 40 man.

Now you may ask why the hell do i think that?

Good question.
The reason is, in the beginning, we did not have CRBG
And AV was also NOT terribly popular overall.
So, you had a superbly excellent chance of queuing all your guys solo, and landing in the same AV, since it was only your realm queuing.

Now you just had to hope the other side would get enough people into the queue to start it.

It did not outright allow you to template a 40 man, it simply allowed it due to the nature of things.
(ie; there was no long line of people queuing up to do it)

Secondly, as for nerfing AV.
That would not be in the spirit of vanilla.
What would be in the spirit, would be recreating the earlier AV
but hand retuned to factor in 1.12 era toons (because the spirit of AV was EVERYTHING is gonna kill you deader that dead).
As it was this kind of AV that made WSG the ranking honor farm.
Not because WSG gave more honor, but because you could not possibly run 20+ AV’s a day, and the PVE raid part of it assured you would not just have some safe little HK grind in a corner someplace.

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If I had to guess, I’d guess the development for Classic, start to finish, was completed before it launched. The only decisions left for Blizzard are regarding when to release content, essentially flipping a switch. Major changes beyond that would require significant developer time and resources which they see as better spent on Shadowlands.

Short version: Major changes are very unlikely to happen, no matter how much people complain.

That’s reality

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I think you are correct but blizzard needs to wake up for once and actually start protecting the integrity of their games. Classic wow was a huge comeback for them only to dwindle down into nothing (which is leaving a very bad taste in our mouths). They could at last make some sort of hotfix to band-aid the situation instead of sweeping it under the rug completely, which they have perfected at this point.

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Development for classic was finished in 2006.

There was no development, data importing and what ever tasks were required to get the newer software to properly honor and carry out what the data told it to do, and what ever was needed to have it use the legacy art and audio assets.

But that is not development in a strict sense.
Nothing new was made.

Blizz said, You think you do, but you dont.

We said no, really, we do

Blizz said, it’s got bugs, warts, issues, stuff that was never fixed etc.
You think you do, but you don’t

We said, no really, we get that, we remember those issues, but Yes, we still want it.

Blizz said, ok, what we have in complete and intact form is this revision, there is perfect clarity because the whole thing is intact, data, source etc, this is what it will be.
You think you do, but we still think you don’t

We said, nope, we get it, this is the version available.
This is what we get, imperfections and all, what ever is in the box we get, and aside from obvious issues that may crop up, what was in the box is what we remain with.
Yes, we want it still.

And we got it.

So, you thought you did, now do you or dont you?

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I get your pain and I agree AV was poorly handled.

Only optimistic view I have to offer is that eventually the majority of honor grinders will get to whatever level they want and move on. And as the phases are released there will be more things for people to do that spread them out across the game.

I don’t think a lot of people are quitting so much as taking a break. If people have got to 60, got their mounts, got all the gear they need from raids and pvp, then beyond levelling alts there isn’t a lot for them to do. I think you will find a lot of players will return when BwL releases, and so on down the line.

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Wrong. Those alliance were afk bots to begin with