it seems like the story will be the same for both sides.
all signs are pointing out to horde players being forced to help the woman who hates you the most in this universe.
i don’t understand what blizzard is thinking.
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People like elves.
Because the shadowlands is nothing like that, we got the main zones, and they have nothing to do with faction , I dont understand this need for horde to make the non faction xpac about them, blizzard told use where spirits go, guess what undead and orcs go to bastion too.
They’re not based on faction in the traditional sense, but they are based on religion/aesthetics in Azeroth.
Bastion is very clearly influenced by the Light as found in Azeroth. It’s bright whites, golds, tall vertical lines, and angelic imagery are callouts to the Church of the Light, the Titans, and Draenei architecture. It clearly reflects the faith of the Light. Oh hey look. The key figure there is Uther, one of the greatest Paladins ever known.
With it’s blue bioluminescence, Celtic swirls, Satyr-like inhabitants, Ardenweald is Moonglade/Dreamgrove/Emerald Dream/uncorrupted Val’sharah by any other name. Go to place for those who followed the Druids/Elune/Cenarius/Etc. Indeed, Cenarius is supposed to be our hero for this zone, and apparently Elune and her relationship with her high priestess/avatar Tyrande also plays a part. As do the Drust of the Kul Tiras according to interviews.
Maldraxxas is pretty much another Scourge themed zone- like the Eastern Plaguelands, Icecrown, Archerus, etc. Its connections to the Lich King, Death Knights, and Forsaken and through them, the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow. The cameo here is played by Thrall’s mother Daka… a bit of a stretch given she has zero association with the Scourge, but sure.
Revendreth probably has the loosest ties. It doesn’t seem to be based on any actual spiritual traditions or beliefs systems from Azeroth. It’s basically a Gothic Vampire fantasy land. On the other hand, the art we’ve seen of the inhabitants has them basically being vampiric blood elves/San’lyn who have Kael’thas (former leader of the Blood Elves) in their custody, so yeah.
Yes, Blizzard told us where the spirits go. And their answer largely ignores the one major faith in the franchise that regularly deals with those themes. I consider it a missed opportunity.
I’m not talking about the Horde. I’m talking about shamanism/voodoo.
Bastion, despite being so heavily associated with the Light, isn’t an Alliance zone. Neither is Ardenweald, despite being so much like other Night Elf zones. Likewise, despite their clear appeal to Scourge/Forsaken and Blood Elf/Syn’lan sensibilities, Maldraxxus and Revendreth aren’t Horde zones.
They’re all neutral and anyone can quest through them. Similarly, adding in or replacing on zone with one that acknowledged the shamanistic/voodoo traditions of Azeroth wouldn’t be adding a Horde zone. It’d just be adding a zone that speaks to one of the major religions/afterlives of the world, especially those of the Tauren/Troll/Orcs, but not the Horde. Besides, Kul Tirans, Wildhammer Dwarves, Pandaren and anyone who revere the wisdom of the ancestors or practice Shamanism, etc could go there too.
And it’d make more sense than an Orc running around Bastion in gold/white armor and angel wings alongside Uther the Lightbringer.
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But everyone shares the same afterlife it literally doesnt make sense
Pretty much with their unhealthy hatred for Night Elves and their treatment in WoW. I wish we had neutral writers that actually cared to write a satisfying story for both sides… or atleast left the races they don’t like alone, not completely destroy them in every way possible 
You won’t get revenge either way. There’s absolutely no chance Sylvanas / Nathanos will die.
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Everyone doesn’t seem to end up in the same place.
A mortal soul can go all go to one of many places within the Shadowlands; Smaller domains and realms based on some combination of their religion/beliefs/sins/virtues they held in life. And different realms in the afterlife are overseen by different powers.
That’s why Cenarius and the Drust don’t end up in Revendreth and why the Unther isn’t hanging out in Maldraxxus. It’s why the Nightfae don’t rule over Bastion.
The zones/covenants featured have been said to just be a few among many. Since they couldn’t fit EVERY afterlife, they obviously pared it down to four basic ones, and gave us a pretty good analogues for the afterlives of all the major religions of Azeroth… save the shamanic ones.
Because everyone has there own stop a place they need to go, you argue that orcs wouldnt go to bastion which is funny cause with the description blizzard gave I bet most good orcs like thrall or saurfang would go there, they literally fit that place to a t
In the broadest conceptual sense? Sure. Why not?
I mean, I can say that in order to reach my “hypothetical shaman zone/covenant” you just need to be a revered elders/leaders/ancestors so they can continue to watch over and guide their living successors. And just say Modimus Anvilmar, Varian Wrynn, and Cairne Bloodhoof went there. They’d fit that broad theme too.
Maldraxxus isn’t scourge themed, the scourge are Maldraxxus themed.
They are warriors, constantly fighting to remain the strongest so they can protect the Shadowlands. It’s a warrior culture with a coat of skeleton paint on it.
If I remember correctly, the only reason there is anything sketchy going on in Maldraxxus is that their leader went missing and there’s a power vacuum.
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And really what we’ve seen of shamans’ belief in an afterlife has long been something of an erroneous understanding, since the shamans with the most lore are the orcs’, and everything about the shamans on Draenor being able to readily commune with the dead (and arguably the Auchenai priests doing so as well) was symptomatic of the damaged naaru on the planet causing dead souls to linger in the living world instead of passing on. So none of it was really indicative of a properly functioning afterlife, and on Azeroth none of that stuff they believed applies any more. The orcs and to some degree the draenei seemed to generally believe the dead stayed among the living (either as spirits to watch over and advise them, or still within their bodies interred at Auchindoun) rather than leaving the world behind, and in their particular cases the circumstances on Draenor actually happened to make both things true when they lived there.
Not precisely; based on the descriptions the Necrolords are still “Scourgey” enough in behavior that any souls in Maldraxxus who can’t hack it as mighty warriors are jammed into corpse constructs to basically serve as fuel for their armies’ disposable rank-and-file. That’s pretty sketchy in and of itself.
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The Shadowlands doesn’t seem to have a problem with it since they keep getting new souls from the Arbiter.
At what point are these “Nelf fans are the most oppressed group” posts considered spam.
I feel like we’ve hit a critical mass
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when they’re actually spam and they hardly are currently.
They are also not going to stop until Blizz finally stops spitting on night elf fans, so probably never. This is the only chance of making Blizz aware of the issue.
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They’re aware of the issue, they just don’t really care about resolving it. At least not in the way we would like. I mean they think throwing Sylvanas to the wolves will placate us and anyone else who has a beef with the Horde in the wake of BfA.
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I don’t know, I feel like the writers are the only ones with an unhealthy hate against night elf fans. I don’t think they are planning to resolve it at all, they will probably just make it even worse.
Instead of ignoring us further, they made it even worse by telling us that all innocents that died will forever be in the maw to suffer eternal torment.
I just wish I knew what happened that someone in the writing team can despise a wow race that much and utterly destroy it without having other writers/game designers intervene.
That’s the next thing they’ll do to screw us over, they will redeem Sylvanas and thereby put the final nail in the coffin.
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At the very least I assume we’ll set things right regarding the Maw because leaving the lion’s share of souls in one domain is throwing things out of whack. That merely brings us back to 0 regarding our losses however as they’re still dead so that’s not really a win.
I’m not sure about this either. They know their fans are aware of the Kerrigan plot and to redo it would make them look lazier than they already are.
Beats me. Maybe they just don’t care or anyone who did got overruled.
It’s obvious the ‘Maw sucking in innocent souls’ plot will be resolved/rectified.
I have honestly given up on thinking that something good will happen to the night elves ever, freeing their souls included. I don’t think it will ever happen tbh, not with our current writers.
As crazy as making Sylvanas a flawless goddess of death that has planned everything since she was born? No way they are going to let her die for the good of their fans, they only care about themselves.
I don’t think it’s obvious as all. I just can’t see us freeing the souls because that would be something good for the night elves, and that’s forbidden in their writing philosophy.
I also thought it would be obvious that something good would happen to the night elves in their own dedicated revenge patch, but I got proven very wrong.
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But it has to happen. They’re not going to leave that plot hanging just to spite Night Elves. No matter how salty you and I are about the treatment of them that’s one thing that will be fixed, it has to be. It’s not even a win either, merely restoring the status quo so it’s entirely plausible.
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