Shadowlands looks to be built as an x-pac on the same chassis as Legion.
4 Zones for leveling, no Alliance nor Horde specific story. 1 Max level zone. Covenants in place of Order Halls. First raid is even tied into one of the leveling zones like the Emerald Dream was.
So if they are putting any Tyrande content in Shadowlands, it will have to be part of both factions leveling experience, unless they do the exact same quest chain with one of the undead nelves in place of Tyrande for the horde.
Don’t worry. Even if I wasn’t a fan of night elves, Blizzard has given me no reason to pre-order this expansion.
Also: Forsaken/nuHorde fans calling nelf fans annoying for complaining about the story
They could do a similar questchain with Talaanji easy enough; as her quest for vengeance apparently also hasn’t been satisfied. It need not be one of the Undead Elves, just a character that finds themselves in a similar situation to Tyrande. Talaanji, at least atm, would certainly apply. You could even place Rezan into the zone, since it appears Wild Gods go there when they pass.
Yes they could and yes they should.
TBH … I’m just hoping Blizz actually takes advantage of these zones. Even if I’m a little unhappy that none of them thematically reflect the Shamanistic cultures; there is enough here to mess with to give development to a wide spectrum of characters. Even if they are just minor side stories available to both sides, there is plenty to work with in the land of the dead. Kael, for example, is a key chance to finally develop Rommath. I would also prefer that if any character was allowed massive development on the Horde … it would be Lillian Voss.
We’ll see if Blizzard squanders it…
I understand your frustration man, sometimes we just have to have faith. It’s kind of easy to be disappointed in a lot of things a lot more than it is to look forward to things. I feel you bud, have a great night.
I’m pretty sure absolutely no Horde players want to work with Tyrande again. So the feeling is mutual.
Tyrande was also in Valshara.
How did that go?
There are issues in the story that affect all players equally whether that be one race or another or one faction or another.
If the story is badly written, it is badly written for everyone. We just have to hope that they improve the direction, consistency and writing going into the next expac for everyone involved.
Im keen for it because they do seem to have some interesting concepts in these new zones. In saying that im holding off till I know more about how the story is gonna play out.
Though this does feel eerily similar to the End of MOP going into WOD. These writers really gotta focus on making sure this next expac doesn’t copy WOD, especially after BFA repeating MOP.
What would be shamnistic themes, cause the elemental plane is not related to the shadowlands, as far as I know shamans talk to spirits but that seems unrelated to the actual afterlife too, they can just talk to spirits.
Some excellent sooking. Good riddance.
I want to see kurtalos maybe he is a basition
They’ve truly broken you, haven’t they?
Shamans don’t just speak to the Elements. They also speak to ancestral spirits of the dead. It’s a big part of Troll voodoo, too.
In the Tauren heritage armor quest, you go to speak with Baine’s spirit.
Vol’jin and the whereabouts of his spirit are also an ongoing mystery in the first third of Battle for Azeroth.
Same regarding Talanji, her father, and their relationship with the afterlife via Bwonsamdi.
bwonsamdi realm is a five man and you still didnt say how speaking to spirits actually relates to the shadowlands.
Shamans have more spells than any class that reference the spirits or allow the character to take a step between the mortal and spirit worlds. They summon spirits. Cleanse spirits. They turn into spirits.
I also just mentioned three plot points introduced in this expansion in which the more shamanistic/voodoo traditions are involved in mysteries regarding the nature of the afterlife. The Church of the Light and the Naaru aren’t asking where we go when we die. Neither are the cults of the Forgotten Shadow and Old Gods.
In the Tauren Heritage armor quest specifically, you engage in a shamanistic ritual in order to literally enter the spirit lands and end up speaking to/assisting the spirit of Cairne Bloodhoof, who comes from the Shadowlands.
Looking for, speaking to, casting spells tied to, and making deals with the souls of the dead actually relates a lot to the Shadowlands. At least it should. And the spiritual traditions of Azeroth’s Tauren/Trolls/Orcs are all about this stuff through their traditions of shamanism and voodoo.
I think dropping those stories and themes, or reducing those them to anything less than a proper zone/covenant is wasted potential.
Especially when they went with Revendreth- which has pretty much no basis in any existing Azerothian lore, beliefs, or traditions related to death and the afterlife. THAT could have been a 5 man dungeon.
Again you just saying spirit is in the name spirit this spirit that, but nothing of what should be in the shadowlands, no afterlife in anything that is said
How will you ever get your revenge and kill Sylvanas if you dont order shadowlands?
Already unsubbed. This expansion had so much potential tbh, but, unsurprisingly, they went the worst path possible.
Who wants revenge on Sylvanas? Sylvanas has no character. She doesn’t do things because she has a mind or personality. She does them because Blizz thinks its cool and unsubbing and not buying is just about the only way to get revenge on Blizz.
I’m referencing the “spirits” because that’s Blizzard’s preferred terminology. What we’re now referring to as the Shadowlands has, for the longest, been the Spirit World. WoW’s afterlife. The place where souls go when they die.
Where else would Cairne Bloodhoof’s soul be coming from, if not the spirit world/afterlife/Shadowlands? Where else would Vol’jin’s soul be? Rastakhans? Where else would “the Other Side” that Bwosamdi sends souls to be? Where else would his boss be?
If the that logic is that shamanism/voodoo has never been linked explicitly with the term “Shadowlands” before now, then the same goes for Bolvar, Sylvanas. Sure, they raise the dead, but they’ve never been mentioned as tied to the Shadowlands or afterlife either. They deal pretty much exclusively with the unnatural state of undeath on the material plane. If anything, they seemed to prevent souls from going to the Spirit World/Afterlife/Shadowlands. It wasn’t until the new expansion previews that they revealed they were actually associated with it in the form of Maldraxxas.
As for who/what should be there? Well if I’m being asked to make a rough pitch…
All the honored dead, many spirits, and other entities regularly dealt with by the shamanistic/voodoo traditions of Azeroth should be there. Baine should be there. Vol’jin should be there. Sen’jin should be there. Bwonsamdi, Shadra, Rezan, and Hakkar and other Loa should be in the Shadowlands. Thrall’s mother should definitely be there, not kicking around the Scourge.
Aesthetically, buildings that resemble great stone/log house sanctums and mosleums, bonfires, totems (in the general anthropological sense, not specifically Pacific Northwest style), monoliths, feast halls, burial mounds. Shrines/altars that the dead visit in order to receive their offerings and contact from the living.
All surrounded by wilderness -forests, plains, swamps, mountains- in shades of red, green and gold. Inhabited by souls of not just Tauren/Orc/Trolls, but also Wildhammer Dwarves, Tuskar, Furblogs, and all the other races of Azeroth with strong shamanistic traditions. These also tend to be warrior cultures, so the souls that roam can have a similar martial bent. Maybe some are engaging in endless hunts/skirmishes and the player characters are just more sport.
The overarching conflict is obvious. The maw is eating up souls of those honored dead that should be living out their intended afterlives. An interesting dynamic could be, a divide between the warrior champions- who seek immediate and decisive action, but are held back by inter-tribal rivalries that held them back in life, and the honorable elders- who in their wisdom and age are now looking forward to an afterlife of peace and cooperation, but are dragging their heels as they engage in endless council sessions.