and losing a roll is losing a roll.
you know, you lose rolls in normal as well, care to guess why i have no idea if the winners rolled for mog?
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And this is why I think the game looks in bags, possibly bank/s (including void storage) as well.
But the bottom line is the game lets people with higher ilvl roll on lesser gear because the ilvl is not the be all, end all, determination of what is an upgrade or not. This is due to things like stats (PvP vs. PvE gear) or effects.
As long as need and mog are on the same priority list, these discussions will never stop or go away. This is why the best way to deal with it is making mog an equal, but different, priority list for just the look.
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I ignore almost all in game whisperers
Iâm only saying that âilevel is temporary, mog is foreverâ is a catchy slogan, but not really a valid argument.
However, most people are⊠dispassionate enough, so to speak, not to care about the latter.
I wish M+ didnât decide something being higher ilevel is automatically an upgrade for me for this reason. Why would I want a piece that has objectively bad stats for my spec when I can easily get the means to upgrade it and give what I got to someone who could actually use it?
OooorrrrrâŠ
All these âbring back plâ threads that are started by throwaway alts are actually from mog hunters trying to get back their better system!
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That is exactly the same PL system that they are talking about.
It was removed from raids to get rid of these trade restrictions, and because players started to figure out exactly how powerful class stacking to force drops was, combined with players working out that PL guaranteed that there would be artificial scarcity of certain high value items (weapons/trinkets mostly).
For example: to have the same odds of seeing a rogue dagger from Igara as in GL, 3/7th of raid has to be sin/sub rogues in PL. Since any guild realistically isnât bringing 9 rogues, itâs easier for rogues to get the rogue dagger.
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Yeah, I think Iâll pass then, I donât like gear being forced on me that I donât want to use, and that could benefit someone else. I know when I go into M+ thereâs a chance Iâll get something I donât want, and I know going into raid thereâs always going to be things I donât want dropping, thatâs fine, until I have no choice but to keep (and vendor) an item.
-< Insert wall of text. You will be responsible for the 231 points of damage you take. >-
Funny, the time it took me to get into a LFR on a fresh Fury warrior I just leveled (sorry I hate boosting as you are not learning the class but being thrown into it at max level) and completing the 1st wing in the latest raid was 34 minutes which included wait time in cue and that netted me a 2-hand weapon and a LFR set shoulder at 3/8 level. I would say that was good time invested.
In the time I been doing quests in world content that really only netted me gold, some flight stones, whelp crests that I canât use unless I have a lot more flight stones and barely any drake crests unless I plant seeds in the emerald dream, and it has at least 50/100 built up on it to earn 2.
I donât mind doing world quests, but they are the same repeated every other 3 1/2 days and itâs just tediously boring. I used to do ever world quest when it dropped in the current content, but I find no will anymore to do them unless I want to purchase something then I fly around and do all the ones worth money to pay me back for my purchase.
For me itâs all about the adventure. Not there for the loot and I refuse to purchase loot that I didnât earn. I also follow need before greed etiquette and just because I participated doesnât mean I will need on an item. I will actually select pass or trans mog knowing itâs a thrown away roll.
Back in the day we use to see people do this (long before trans mog) and that would earn a person a blacklist and spread around the server that you are a shady person not to be trusted. Now with cross-realm server communities have pretty much died and itâs become a dog eats dog gaming world.
Pretty sure if they separated trans mog to get an appearance only copy of the gear it would solve a good chunk of this debate. That or allow higher versions give lower versions of the color variant.
Does your Loot God hate you or have you sacrificed enough gnomes to appease them.
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Personal loot sucked. Every time you won things in lfr youâd get 10 whispers from people asking for your drop. The current loot system i havenât been asked for something i won in months. Itâs far less bothersome now.
And doing weekly LFR raids is ânew and different and interestingâ?
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I started a month before Shadowlands released after a 9-year hiatus from the game. I didnât start to do LFR raids until S3 and I only did them to complete the Fyrakk quest I accepted by mistake. Only reason I did the most recent LFR raid is because I leveled a new character to try and raid with a guild I joined, so I had to go into LFR. I tend to not do group content as I donât want to ruin another playerâs experience and with my recent amputations on my mouse hand my reaction time has slowed greatly.
The only major difference between world content and the LFR that Iâve seen is how many people participate at a given time and what each person brings to the table making the LFR content interesting. Rarely ever see anyone doing world content anymore unless itâs a super bloom (not always) and almost no one talks in chat.
Quoting this because it was stated by PL supporters multiple times when people who wanted ML as an option were told ânoâ and to âsuck it upâ and âdeal with itâ because the raiding loot system was Pl.
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they have been implemented -if you have ever had that same bit of loot at a higher ilvl you cant roll roll need . the problem is that Bliz are catering to teh lets play dressups crowd.
The solution is if something drop in heroic for example, you also get the normal and lfr looks added . But that would come with its own drawbacks , pugging normal and LFR queues would be longer as not as many people would be doing them because they dont need the looks
its fine just play
Nope, PL rolls based on each personâs loot spec while GL rolls without regard for the specs or classes of anyone in your team.
You are going to get entirely different results under PL and GL. Perhaps you are the one who doesnât understand how the systems work if you keep denying how they actually work?
Howâs that any different to personal loot giving people untradable items that they will never use? Itâs still an item thatâs getting DEâd or vendored, why does it matter if itâs a bow or a ring with no socket?
True, personal loot enables my main with full myth track tier to win LFR tier, which is obviously what you want to happen.
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You are dodging the issue of PL and GL producing actual different results because they roll based on entirely different item tables.
PL means more loot appropriate for your spec. If itâs a downgrade, you can trade it. If trading is the real issue, then trading restrictions could be removed from PL. But we are talking about LFR players who want to gear up, so trading is a secondary issue for unorganized raiding.
People in Mythic track gear are already needing on LFR loot as often as the button physically lets them.
LFR players are often walking out of full clears with not a single piece of gear won, and all you need to do is look at the math behind it to understand why. PL and GL do not produce the same results.
i get you feel slighted. its weird and i often feel this too.
i want transmog tho. what should i do? roll transmog? but then ill never get it because theres always someone gearing. should i attempt to gear an alt? well⊠someone rolls need⊠that has a higher item level.
so everyone should just roll need. thats the new rule.
i prefer personal loot.
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