Probably been suggested, but add a 4th button… transmog. You either automatically get that transmog for hitting that button but no loot, or you roll for who gets the transmog.
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Eh, I think the Disney ones better
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This may just be a wording problem, but it’s just not true that LFR players lost a gearing method because they’ve gained competition. This is probably the biggest disconnect I feel with these posts - people portray it like lower geared players can’t possibly win items over higher geared players who press need. The only times we will ever hear about a higher geared player rolling against a lower geared player are when the higher geared player did win the item; all times the lower geared player won an item are conveniently forgotten in these posts.
And that’s to say nothing of the fact that GL actually increases the chances for lower geared players to win items over mog hunters compared to what we had in Shadowlands…
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Remember, as we learned on the forums in SL/BFA, there should only ever be 1 raid loot system, and even wanting the option to change it makes you a bad person who only wants to deny others their fair chance at the loot.
That system is GL, and the functionality if the system is designed to address specific feedback from all players. (Too many rings/necks, not enough of anything else, group stacking to force items to drop, added some protection for people with higher ilvl that didn’t exist in PL, the feelsbadman moments where you want to trade something but can’t)
If your group wants to use PL today, you tell everyone to always roll need on everything no matter what, because that’s how it worked under the hood.
(Probably a wording problem on my part)
It’s not that they are losing a gearing method, it’s just now they have extra competition for a gearing path that they need and the trans mog person feels they deserve because Blizzard failed to add a path for trans mog people to get an appearance only version of the lower piece. So now what could be an upgrade for a person that really needs the item, is just a new color variant for the trans mog hunter who already has that piece as a higher variant.
It is true, in that we haven’t seen any or many posts about the higher geared player winning loot over a lower geared player, but give it time a trans mog hunter will make a post about it. As far as raiding in BFA or Shadowlands, I don’t know how that went as I came a month before Shadowlands, and I didn’t try LFR because I was relearning the game after a 9-year hiatus, and I didn’t want to ruin anyone else’s experience. It also didn’t help when I came back, the 1st 3 dungeons I got as a Resto shaman where so toxic I switched to Enhancement and stopped doing group content.
Now that I have had two of my fingers amputated on my mouse hand it makes it even more difficult to do group content. And being a clicker just increases the chance I midclick something or can’t move the mouse around fast enough or stable enough as I found out trying to do the Outland Cup race which I didn’t try.
There is competition, but no more so than under previous loot systems. The protections of the Dragonflight group loot implementation make it more likely for players seeking upgrades to get items than personal loot except in cases of highly skewed class distributions.
If a player has the same item at a higher item level, they cannot roll need under group loot. This is the protection I was referring to.
I am genuinely surprised there aren’t more posts from mog hunters upset over group loot because of how much worse it is for them to get appearances than personal loot. But we literally have a new post nearly every day from lower geared players complaining about losing a roll to a higher geared player.
But my larger point here was that we are going to get a skewed view of the loot world because players aren’t going to post about the loot they won on their lower geared character. We are ONLY going to hear about the times a lower geared player loses to a higher geared player they feel shouldn’t have been allowed to roll, making the problem seem even more likely than it is.
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With healers being built more and more to dps while healing they also need trinkets to help in that category.
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The last few years before Dragonflight, I always got whispered “May I please have that” or something similar. Since the whisper came almost right after winning the roll, I suspected they were bot or using addon to auto-whisper winners so I’ve begun to ignore loot beggar. I guess many of us still have the habit of ignoring whispers due to possible bots.
Put on your big boy pants and accept that you wont win everything? Why on earth are you in LFR to gear, anyways?
Personal loot still had loot drama, and if anything it tended to cause more. Never have a problem with people shoving trade windows in my face with group loot.
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Some people don’t have a lot of time to play the game and use what time they have to do LFR because raiding is their cup of tea. Not everyone plays games to be maximum efficient.
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Well, LFR is neither efficient, nor a good use of time. An hour spent grinding and doing WQ’s will net you better gear, more efficiently than LFR ever could.
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Nobody said it was efficient. But a good use of time will be up to that player. It’s what they find fun in this game. Some people don’t like doing WQs.
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If you’re having fun, why does the loot matter?
That’s the whole point of doing things. I can want to do LFR as my main path of gameplay and still want loot. It’s still a video game.
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If my current EQUIPPED gear is a higher ilevel? Sure, I’ll carry around a set that puts me right at 424 so I can queue for LFR to need on mogs because according to my equipped gear, anything that drops is ilevel upgrade.
I’m going to continue to point out that throughout all of BFA/SL, one of the biggest arguments in favor of PL was that “everyone deserves a fair chance at loot”, but now that we’re using GL, it’s suddenly a problem when people wish to exercise their fair chance at the loot that they apparently no longer deserve?
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Honestly, I’ve only experienced Group Loot because I’ve only really done PvE content this expansion, so I have no Personal Loot experience to give me a comparison to which I prefer. I just like seeing the arguments for and against people make.
And honestly, if inspecting winners is such a big deal, what is stopping someone who outgears LFR by a mile from having a low ilevel set for LFR? Or there’s instances like my PvP monk, I go into LFR for vault slots, she has full conquest gear and is a bit above 450 in PvE ilevel. I switch to lower ilevel gear because the stats are better for PvE content.
If you stop inspecting winners, maybe it wouldn’t cut so deep that you legit lost a roll.
Ill repeat what I’ve read in other treads on this once more;
Ilvl is temporary, mog is forever.
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And an upgrade is both ilevel and mog, making it forever as well.
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