Guild runs set their rules before the run starts. You being a member of the guild’s raid team implies that you agreed to those rules.
LFR, there are no agreed upon rules before the start of a run. It’s a lot more free for all.
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So what you are saying is that if they overgear LFR they can’t roll on anything so they are just there to carry people for free?
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Irony when in the past the smallest changes that swings to casuals is meet with endless rage form elites and why expansions like Shadowlands is trash due to feedback that wants the game their way.
It’s a bad analogy because it’s not analogous. You are comparing a RL situation where the person not being able to pay their bills experiences an actual loss/setback (kicked out of their home, power turned off, can’t eat, whatever) to a video game situation where losing a roll on a piece of gear is not a loss. You just didn’t gain anything.
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I’m not so sure about that. I’d have to think about it. How often to people form groups and join LFR? We have done it in the past but it’s rare and and haven’t’ done it in several years.
You can roll need for appearances. What level was their current OH, or did they have a staff?
By definition every run. LFR assembles a group of 25 players at the start of every run. There may be an automated queue, but you are still put into a group with 24 others.
This is what Blizzard said about the new system and how it works:
- In the past, Need/Greed only knew if something was equippable or the right armor type, not if it was meant for your spec or not. This is now changed.
- First off, you can never Need for anything your class cannot wear. No warriors sniping cloth robes with a need roll and giving it away or trolling.
- We also have mainspec and offspec functionality built-in, which changes based on the current loot spec you set.
- Main spec takes priority, then Off spec, then greed. So while a Ret paladin can’t off-spec loot a shield away from a main-spec roll from the Tank, anyone rolling greed could never win it over them. This also means that if you swap specs for a specific fight, like going Holy, you can still main spec roll for your desired items if they come from that boss without having to worry about hurting yourself by being flexible to your group.
- Players won’t be able to win multiples of the same item - say that 2 sets of Shoulders drop. While you can roll Need on both of them, winning one will ‘remove’ your roll from the other.
- Additionally, players can’t Need on a piece of loot if they’re wearing the exact piece at the exact item level, though in the event where this occurs but the dropped piece has a Tertiary stat or Socket, that roll would be possible (as those are upgrades).
- Lastly, even after winning the roll, items remain fully tradeable without restrictions to any player that was eligible as a looter - as-in, if you weren’t locked to that boss previously. Inversely, this means that players who have already killed Boss 1 on Normal for the week can’t join for that boss and have loot traded to them (similarly, the need/greed pane won’t appear for that player).
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Jesus people, just close your damned eyes to the roll window if you cannot emotionally deal with seeing other people win things. Just hit need on anything you can and you can pretend it is still PL in your mind to protect your feelings. It is crazy how childish people get over gear.
Just assume everybody is going to roll need on everything they can. You win or don’t, just like with PL. Be pleasantly surprised when sometimes somebody passes on something they don’t need.
There is a reason envy is considered one of the seven deadly sins. Look how miserable that emotion is making certain people.
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Yeah, We are seeing what happens when you cross the streams of greed and envy.
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A heroic or mythic geared player will always do several times the amount of damage a LFR player does.
They’ll do more damage at lower item levels too.
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An example from DF pre-patch:
a friend and I were both playing our mythic raid mains, doing LFR council of blood to help him on his dinar quest (his guild wasn’t taking S4 very seriously).
The group called out to do the NSF kill order.
We (the 2 moonkins) decided to do the mythic order without telling anyone else in the raid, also known as the moonkin pad order of FSN. We got a FSN kill. the 2 moonkins did more damage to Frieda than the entire rest of the raid did to Niklaus
Players aren’t here to play by your rules hun, they only have to play by Blizzards.
The only thing my main won in LFR this week was a staff that I was able to roll need on… as a BM hunter with BM loot spec selected. Which was fine for me, it unlocked a mog for my casters and I got enchanting mats.
You need some sun Sarama. You’ve spent the day picking apart almost everyone’s post. Give it a rest.
If a person goes in for say a transmog version from lfr of an item they already have equipped then they shouldn’t be eligible for need. Now if no one needs the item and they all greed roll and said person with the higher version of said item equipped wins by all means it is there .
THis is one of the reasons Blizz is changing it so that people with higher versions of an item won’t be able to roll need on lower versions in 10.0.5
I mean, it already works that way for non-tier, and non-dual wield weapons.
They are just bugfixing it so it works that way for those 2 cases.
False, I ran a pug run with a Jahmilli, one of the best mages to have ever played this game, back in Legion and I out DPS’d him on every boss. We were the same class and everything. The only difference is I had higher-level gear. Gear absolutely matters more so than skill in this game. How long have you been playing? So to say that lower level players should be thankful mythic players are coming in and making fights easier and needing on all the loot for purposes other than to do more dmg is asinine. When the lower level players would DO more dmg if they could actually get the loot.
Which means those with the higher versions already won’t be able to roll need against a person say in lfr that needs the actual tier token for their set .
THat’s what the complaint is . People with higher versions of an item being able to roll and win on need .
Transmog items should always fall under greed rolls .
Yes, because being an AWC level PvP players automatically makes you good at raiding…
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He’s a R1 mage, I guarantee you, he knows more about this game and how to play than you ever would. 