I definitely believe this. It was his last way of making it seem like Tyrande was still losing even though he knew he had failed Sylvanas and was likely screwed once he got to the Maw.
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Yseraâs statement of being willing to aid the Night elves was made after the fact of Teldrassil burning. With hindsight there is no second guessing what actions Sylvanas was going to take.
If you had the various neutral factions aware that Sylvanas intended to burn Teldrassil down with children still in there then most, if not all, the neutral factions would have defended Teldrassil.
I also believe that Saurfang and Baine, among others in the Horde would have defended Teldrassil instead of joining Sylvanas in attacking it if they had been aware of the actual endgame for attacking it.
At this point such statements arenât really pro-alliance as much as anti-sylvanas.
Also which realm are you talking about Ysera binding Night Elves to? The emerald dream?
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There seem to be two groups:
- Those who think he got what he wanted and so it was a pyrrhic victory.
- Nathanos fans that are pissed he got wrecked.
Both groups seem to be small, but loud.
Evidence is that he didnât. He did fail again. Sylvanas was pissed at him before, the idea that he is going to get a warm reception is just silly.
Thing is, he wanted something. There are a myriad of faster and easier ways for him to die and go to the Maw. He didnât get what he wanted, so his â4D chessâ plan failed.
It wont be the end of him, but it was hardly a victory on his part.
Pretty much this. He was dead and he knew it. Might as well take what shots he could at his killer. Trying to trigger her was literally the only attack left to him. And 100% in character for him.
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Blizz has a bad habit of reducing most of the Druid themes and the Cenarion Circle to night elves and their architecture.
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I mean, you say that, but they all did an awfully good job ignoring it after the fact. Not even a token show of support from the CC, like Theramore got from both the Kirin Tor and Shattrath.
Again, you say that. Yet, Saurfang is at Lordaeron, actively killing Alliance soldiers even while secretly hoping theyâd win. And Baine, as leader of a nation, continues supplying Tauren soldiers for her omnicidal war effort, right up until the eleventh hour (11:59:59, to be exact).
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Yep.
So like Anduinâs a bleeding heart, but the dead scar they wrent across Tirisfal is clear: the Alliance was there to commit murder.
I have criticized Blizz in the past for Teldrassil not getting the attention the event deserved. And Teldrassil isnât the only time when they have had neutral factions ignore dangerous or evil actions by Sylvanas. Tirion, The Argent Crusade, and Cata come to mind as an example.
Exceptionally bad when Garrosh of all people calls her out on it and not Tirion.
As for Saurfang and Baine, the time they couldâve opposed her was before Teldrassil burned. Again my statement had the conditional of them knowing her endgame before hand. Not afterwards with a furious and vengeful Alliance on the offensive.
As it actually occurred, Blizz just lined up most everyone and character assassinated them with a battleshipâs main guns.
I guess the point I was trying to make is Yseraâs comment is in hindsight where everything is 20/20 vision. It is easy to see what needed to be done then.
If she had been around then when things were happening and intentions were murky, she might have failed like most everyone else.
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We do? Where!
Pulls out scythe
/s
we save one wild god and three loa during the conveant and lvl zone 
To be on point.
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Iirc, we are to save only the wild god ( Ashamane ) on the Winter Queenâs behalf, but then Volâjin tells us to save the loa too.
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She still evacuated her people, the writers are so full of themselves that they will redeem sylvanas no matter what, just so they are right in the end.
Not much to interpret when they say that sylvanas isnât evil and that she wonât die.
You also keep saying that Sylvanas didnât do it, just give up on it.
Is that supposed to be some other regular poster here? Because I havenât really seen anyone post with that name here recently, but maybe I didnât pay attention to it.
Thats wrong, bwonsamdi send us for all three (Ashmane and the other two loas, inside the maw)âŚthe winterqueen didn´t even know their were captured. One Loa died thereâŚand empowered VolâJin.
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Ah, then I remembered it wrong ( havenât played beta myself ).
lol
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And then went and got a bunch of them killed. On purpose. You realize that the only way the story works for Sylvanas is that she doesnât let her true intentions become known at the beginning of the expansion. Thatâs why the devs were gaslighting, dodging and outright lying so much in those interviews before and after BfA launch.
It was clear that they were gaslighting in order to not drive off the people that were (justly) wary of how things were shaping up. But, sure, letâs play your game of take a singular line without including the rest of the quote or context:
They say this:
So, there you go. They said Sylvanas and Horde evil.
Now, this is the part where you flail abouthandwave and say this is different somehow or doesnât count.
Weâve seen the quotes, Elesana. Nowhere, in any of them, did Blizzard state that Sylvanas would not die. They did say that she isnât going out as a simple raid boss, never said she wouldnât die though. Garrosh didnât go out as a raid boss. He was a raid boss, but died in a cutscene following a quest chain the next expansion.
I checked your sources. Itâs clear you either didnât read them thoroughly or stopped reading them when you found a line that you could misuse or of context.
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She used blight on her peoples during the battle. In anyway you look, she did everything she could to maximize collateral damage while retaining the rank of warchief
they pretty much lied about it. Sylvanas now works for a death titan who is torturing innocent souls. its like saying Bob who works for David Duke is not a bad guy. When the person signing your checks is a boogeyman, yeahâŚ
To be fair Sylvanas is the biggest Mary Sue currently in the story. The only âbadâ thing thatâs happened to her in recent story is that tiny little scar the writers deigned to give her during the Saurfang fight. Canât mess up that pretty dead face too much or her fan army might be upset.
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Youâre not being fair or honest at all. Quite frankly you seem a bit agitated, but I hope youâre at least reasonable and is just being a bit cheeky. Which I understand; weâve all been there. No one will out mary sue the pc.
What makes Sylvanas so awesome is that she has taken some Ls and she does have weaknesses and flaws.
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Name one?
The big issue with Sylvanas is that when she âtakes Lâsâ is that somehow it was all part of her plan in some 5D chess game she is playing, like what? That doesnât make for an interesting villain.
Really?
I generally donât touch her flaws and Ls with a 10 foot pole; her haters are in charge of pointing those out. As much as I love her character I could eat her up probably worst than I eat Baine and Saurfang.
So lets start with the fact that she was killed 2 times and couldnât even succeed at a proper suicide. The worst was being ganked by Godfrey. She talks to much and end up paying for flapping her gums and procrastinating ie Trilogy, when she was in the middle of a speech and got clocked, Godfrey and Arthas.
If anyone wants her dead wait until she gives her inevitable speech.
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