Are we doing the weird thing where we pretend Sylvanas doesn’t love Nathanos?
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I mean, WC3 was where actual Nathrezim were praising her for acting so much like a Nathrezim. I’m unsure how far she’s actually fallen tbh. 
You know she doesn’t. Search your heart.
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Even the Nathrezim are loyal to their own.
I mean, I can see the story going that way, because Blizzards MO for Sylvie is to make her do the evilest thing possible every time even when it doesn’t make sense.
But that’s not really what we’re working with thus far.
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Them and everyone else.
I agree but I don’t this that this is meant to be revenge for Teldrassil, at least I hope not. This to me was just one small step. The ultimate goal is Sylvanas.
I want to mention one thing I didn’t like. It’s Nathanos’ implication about her power growing. It had but it’s not as if she needed said power to take him on. She could beat him on her worst day without the Night Warrior.
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Find a post of mine saying you should be happy with what you got.
Go ahead.
I’ll wait.
This is you taking things personally instead of objectively.
It’s
Pre-patch
Head canon.
Keep clinging to that, Elesana.
Part of it.
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I don’t know if I’d go that far. I wouldn’t be shocked if she actually cared about her Forsaken in some perverse way too for that matter. The issue with her “love” and “care” however is how possessive she is with it (does she love and care for them more as tools, or as people)? As well as if she loves and cares for them more than their need to be useful tools for her. On top of this, due to her immense trust issues she’s only capable of caring for those she has complete authority over.
Thus far, she has never cared about anyone more than their need to be functional useful tool for her. Her need to use them has always overshadowed any twisted “love” she may have.
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Darkshore to not suck.
This cut-scene doesn’t undo the damage of a terrible first impression. The yearlong wait has only poisoned the well.
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There’s the story direction that is the fault of the writers. The people who respond by frothing at the mouth (e.g. the NEFPA) are taking things personally. That’s on them.
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Saying i am satisfied would be wrong, but i’m happy. This is a beginning of something cool following the darkshore events.
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At this point I hope Sylvanas gets redeemed and Nathanos and her get married on top of Teldrassil’s burnt stump.
Yall are insufferable.
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Well I missed out on the discussion because I was busy playing around the Pre-Patch
Night elf main, big night elf fan here. In my opinion, the cinematic was great. Freakin’ loved it.
Of course, Nathanos is coming back. I knew that going into it. Hopefully, he thinks he’s going to “his Lady”, and Sylvanas is just like “lol nah, you got to the Maw with the rest of them.” Might be hopeful there, but I’m in a hopeful mood.
Things that were awesome:
- Tyrande styled on him. Thank you. After over a year of the absolute disappointment that was the ending of Darkshore questline, it was so nice to see her not break a sweat and tear him apart.
- Uh… Dual moon lasers? As a Balance Druid main, uh… AAAAAAAAAAAAA! So cool.
- Of course, Nathanos was snarky. I’d hate for him to not be snarky. The important thing is that Tyrande was chill the whole time. She wasn’t consumed with rage or whatever. Once he was done being useful she…
- Cut him off midsentence. Yes, it’s corny. I wanted it.
The only thing that has me concerned is Shandris (and to a lesser extent Genn) saying immediately afterwards, “Oh no, she’s going too far!” However, those were pretty… Small remarks. Neither made a huge deal about it, and her behavior in the cinematic seemed level-headed. So, hopefully that’s them nodding at a plot thread with the intent to kill it (and not Tyrande).
Ultimately, it seemed like she wanted to kill Nathanos because she hated him. She wanted information out of him, and when it was clear he was just going to be flippant and vague, she killed him.
To me, it felt like an apology for Darkshore. That they understood a lot of night elf fans didn’t like it. So, they did their best to show Tyrande being stellar while keeping it on-par with the narrative progress one would expect from a pre-patch cinematic. I.E., not a lot. It’s still up in the air about what Nathanos’s and Sylvanas’s ultimate fate will be. I hope we get to kill them again. Hopefully they’re setting up Tyrande to be involved in that, but I’m not optimistic.
Either way, it was as much as I could have hoped for, and I loved it. I’ll have to watch it a few more time once I get past the hype. Hopefully, the events of Shadowlands won’t make rewatching it leave a sour taste in my mouth. However, as of now, it was awesome!
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Point of order, she kills him. She doesn’t “destroy” him. Maybe in a physical sense but mentally? As others have pointed out he’s still the same as he ever was, hamming it up and trying to get under everyones skin. The cutscene has the same “energy” as the interrogation from the Dark Knight; Batman might have every physical advantage possible in that scene but he doesn’t win the conversation between him and Joker. And he gets played like a fiddle as a result.
Basically if Tyrande had done to Nathanos what Alleria did to the demon assassin at the end of A Thousand Years of War? Then people would be… well okay I can’t promise for the truly obsessed but at least it’d be closer to the mark.
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Those puppers did nothing wrong 
But yeah, I gotta say, I was not impressed at all with this cinematic. We saw nothing new, nor did she show off any new powers she supposdly has. Just continues to make the Night Elves and the supposed Avatar of Elune look, well not very impressive
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The most interesting part to me is the beginning.
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She can summon a lunar eclypse everywhere she goes.
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She uses an arrow to throw nathanos far into a wall, but she appears to not be carrying any bow, which means she either dropped it midway, or my headcanon that she just threw some random arrow with her own hands.
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I hated it. So over the top and so overdone. He was annoying me through entire BfA. I hope I will never hear of that dooker again.
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Nothing short of Nathanos weeping and begging for his life as a broken undead man was going to satisfy some players. You would have to change Nathanos’ entire history as a character to even come close to him acting that way. I get that there are plenty of people so wound up in the lore that they’d happily take character assassination of that level if it means they’d get their wish fulfilment scenario, but I’m glad Blizzard made Nathanos act the same. A smug SOB, even in the face of death.
But it will be interesting to see how the game plays out now that we know for anyone to truly get revenge ever, the character’s soul needs to be obliterated or you have to kill them in the Shadowlands. I guess killing someone just isn’t enough anymore.
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Does Tyrande know a lot about Sylvanas’s and Nathanos’s relationship? Because, I would guess she doesn’t, and might just assume he was her top ranger/advisor, and not would-be-maybe-ish love interest