Nathanos just went down to level 40s

[Garossh-kiljaeden]

source please? ty

[Threemini-staghelm]

The most telling thing about who classic is being catered toward is the lack of the Box fee. The fact that you can play classic with retail sub is a clear sign that they are really trying to get retail players to play classic. It’s not at all surprising that they are dumbing everything down and making it far easier than it used to be because that’s what those players like.

sadly I don’t think they view classic as anything more than content filler in between lulls in retail content

yet M+ and mythic raiding are a hundred time harder than anything classic have to offer… but keep believing your slow-paced, 2-button character was somehow hard to play in classic.

Of course M+ are harder. Doesn’t make them fun or rewarding.
Too bad they are stuck in an irrelevant position.

At least the slower, more simplistic encounters in Classic drop deterministic loot that people slobber after.

let’s see how you feel about them after your 25th run of UBRS, with absolutely nothing to look forward to.

there’s a reason why the M+ system was introduced … the recurrent trend of 5man being irrelevant few week after the release of an expac.

Dude… are you serious? THAT is the reason I LOVE CLassic and early WoW. I can stop doing content I no longer need… that’s called progression. once you farm what you need out of a dungeon… the only reason to do it again is to help a guildie… you do it because you WANT to do it.

There is a game outside of dungeons and raid… and it’s meaningful and relevant to your character. Not to mention leveling and gearing alts where the content is once again all relevant.

Professions and the economy also provide ways to progress you characters…

In live, even leveling your character for 10 hours to max level seems like a waste of time. Professions? lol Economy and gold? tee hee.

There is nothing outside of raiding worth doing except M+… and so you feel forced to do it.

No thank you. Classic has lots of things for me to engage in without running the same dungeon over and over again.

[Fellína-thrall (Fellína)]

let’s see how you feel about them after your 25th run of UBRS, with absolutely nothing to look forward to.

Could run it to help alts or under sized group for fun. Epic chances, tanks heal for money. Just because, on an alt, or because you have the key.

there’s a reason why the M+ system was introduced … the recurrent trend of 5man being irrelevant few week after the release of an expac.

Based on the design flaw of the gear inflation from later patches making 5 man content nearly worthless in that time as badge and raid gear QUCIKLY outpaced static content. Thus the need for dynamic hands off content was more needed to keep smaller content alive.

Lets not act like M+ is some great addition to the game as much as it was a tool have more scaled content for people gear or some equally number based idea. Where in people used to run instances for the materials or chance drops in them. Or just for that thing fun . Though i am sure M+ is fun for some as well when they push keys.

[Invulnerable-gorefiend (Invulnerable)]

Interesting. I only played a hunter to around level 29 or so back in Vanilla so don’t remember this honestly. I primarily played a warlock and a druid and know that there wasn’t any way I was going to be able to get hits on an elite mob 23 levels above me. It was constant misses and resists.

If this is true about hunters, I suppose I just learned something new.

It is true. It’s also why a few low level hunters can easily kill a much higher level and geared player in PvP.

I remember me and girlfriend were mid level 40’s, both hunters, and she spotted a Rank13 shaman.

At first I thought it was crazy but figured what the hell, why not?

I don’t think he knew what hit him. Double viper stings, scatter shots, and we both FD’d his chain lightning attempt.

He died and she died. I danced.

[Nexius-emerald-dream (Nexius)]

@Hanners-emerald-dream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwOH1QIoaKw

I think y’all just sucked back then.

Good to see a video on this. This is why it’s bad to rely strictly on your memory. It’s very selective.

So many factors, from players being bad to limited computer tech.

[Fobnop-turalyon (Fobnop)]

Oh I’m so sorry I didn’t reply right away, I actually have a life and had to leave to go out with friends.

Now, you are listing a bug with Warlock summoning of pets, hardly the same thing as numbers tuning. Talking about the vanilla client, well which one are you using for your comparisons, the one from vanilla which you don’t have access to or the ones created like Frankenstein’s monster by the private servers?

I do believe that blizz knows more about the correct numbers tuning than some armchair quarterback.

[Fobnop-turalyon (Fobnop)]

YOU haven’t proved anything either. All yall have done is give your OPINION, based on, based on… ummmmmmmm nothing.

Oh and I’m a VERY harsh critic of blizz, search my other posts. Not even subbed right now, even if someone gifted me game time I can’t see logging into the dumpster fire that is BfA.

[Vlonk-bleeding-hollow]

The most telling thing about who classic is being catered toward is the lack of the Box fee. The fact that you can play classic with retail sub is a clear sign that they are really trying to get retail players to play classic. It’s not at all surprising that they are dumbing everything down and making it far easier than it used to be because that’s what those players like.

sadly I don’t think they view classic as anything more than content filler in between lulls in retail content

yet M+ and mythic raiding are a hundred time harder than anything classic have to offer… but keep believing your slow-paced, 2-button character was somehow hard to play in classic.

Of course M+ are harder. Doesn’t make them fun or rewarding.
Too bad they are stuck in an irrelevant position.

At least the slower, more simplistic encounters in Classic drop deterministic loot that people slobber after.

let’s see how you feel about them after your 25th run of UBRS, with absolutely nothing to look forward to.

there’s a reason why the M+ system was introduced … the recurrent trend of 5man being irrelevant few week after the release of an expac.

Dude… are you serious? THAT is the reason I LOVE CLassic and early WoW. I can stop doing content I no longer need… that’s called progression. once you farm what you need out of a dungeon… the only reason to do it again is to help a guildie… you do it because you WANT to do it.

There is a game outside of dungeons and raid… and it’s meaningful and relevant to your character. Not to mention leveling and gearing alts where the content is once again all relevant.

Professions and the economy also provide ways to progress you characters…

In live, even leveling your character for 10 hours to max level seems like a waste of time. Professions? lol Economy and gold? tee hee.

There is nothing outside of raiding worth doing except M+… and so you feel forced to do it.

No thank you. Classic has lots of things for me to engage in without running the same dungeon over and over again.

and after few week at max level you’ll only be logging on reset day, clear the raid, and log off till next week. Oh, perhaps spend time farming gold / mats for the next raid… let’s not forget how enjoyable gold farming is.

we’ve been there, we have several expansions depicting this exact situation. this is one of the reason M+ was introduced.

[Teapartos-aerie-peak]

When you start raiding you will be at or close to hit capped and then this won’t be an issue.

[Vlonk-bleeding-hollow]

let’s see how you feel about them after your 25th run of UBRS, with absolutely nothing to look forward to.

Could run it to help alts or under sized group for fun. Epic chances, tanks heal for money. Just because, on an alt, or because you have the key.

there’s a reason why the M+ system was introduced … the recurrent trend of 5man being irrelevant few week after the release of an expac.

Based on the design flaw of the gear inflation from later patches making 5 man content nearly worthless in that time as badge and raid gear QUCIKLY outpaced static content. Thus the need for dynamic hands off content was more needed to keep smaller content alive.

Lets not act like M+ is some great addition to the game as much as it was a tool have more scaled content for people gear or some equally number based idea. Where in people used to run instances for the materials or chance drops in them. Or just for that thing fun . Though i am sure M+ is fun for some as well when they push keys.

you think your dungeon set will be relevant after MC?

It’s like the classic zealot don’t even recognize the trend ( that started in vanilla) of logging in on reset day, clearing your raid, logging off until next week.

[Brockthorn-malygos (Brockthorn)]

Maybe you will. Classic is static. I finish up what I want in classic and then I’m unsubbed until TBC comes out.

I have another game I play that has continued new content.

[Brockthorn-malygos (Brockthorn)]

My dungeon set will always be relevant because that IS my endgame set

[Shamalok-crushridge]

The number are accurate.

[Vlonk-bleeding-hollow]

Maybe you will. Classic is static. I finish up what I want in classic and then I’m unsubbed until TBC comes out.

I have another game I play that has continued new content.

right.

because unsubbing until the next content patch is much better than only logging once a week until the next content patch.

that totally solve the problem blizz had with lack of content…

are you for real?

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

For your average player mythic+ hasn’t changed a whole lot. They do their weekly +10 and then they are done. Its just another check mark on the list of weekly/daily chores that takes them an hour or two and they are done with it.

The number of people pushing keys and really making use of the system are probably about the same as those mythic raiding, which we know is a pretty niche audience.

[Brockthorn-malygos (Brockthorn)]

Dude…classic is STATIC…there is no new content.
Stick to retail if you hang on waiting for new content.

[Darem-kargath (Darem)]

Reinstate the original settings/data in terms of difficulty.

[anon94200297]

Oh I’m so sorry I didn’t reply right away, I actually have a life and had to leave to go out with friends.

Now, you are listing a bug with Warlock summoning of pets, hardly the same thing as numbers tuning. Talking about the vanilla client, well which one are you using for your comparisons, the one from vanilla which you don’t have access to or the ones created like Frankenstein’s monster by the private servers?

I do believe that blizz knows more about the correct numbers tuning than some armchair quarterback.

But you speed read, bro! You’re quick to not read and knee-jerk reply.

You’re still not reading and knee-jerk replying in typical troll fashion!

So I’ll say it again to see if you read it this time-

If the path a variable takes through code before it is spat out is changed, the outcome can be either different or undesired. I used the Warlock pet bug as an example.

Knowing this and seeing vanilla videos for things we don’t need direct numbers passes for (like damage) and how some issues persist between Vanilla and Classic - we can extrapolate that Blizz either doesn’t have ALL the data they need for a direct 1:1 or the variables and data being passed through the 8.x client are taking a different path or affected by 8.x math that should have been cleaned up.

I don’t know where pservers come into all of this as they are coded about as well as a couple of tortilla chips glued together acting as a bridge can support the weight of an 18 wheeler - so I’m not sure why that would even be uttered by that flap you call a mouth.

This “armchair quarterback”, btw, is a dev and I’ve done this more than a few times - and in my experience - we miss lots of stuff like this in translation and internal teams, even at places as big as Actiblizz are far too small to spot inconsistencies when things “work” without errors or warnings in a log or hard crashes.

I’ve helped port a few games to PS4 and Xbox from PC and even I have made mistakes (even though my code is near PERFECTION) by way of missing a simple pass or change in arithmetic across versions.

Did you read all of that? Please confirm you know how to read. I worry about you <3

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

Correct. Reinstate the 1.12 settings/data in terms of difficulty.

Oh wait, they’ve already done that.

#nochanges.

[Vlonk-bleeding-hollow]

For your average player mythic+ hasn’t changed a whole lot. They do their weekly +10 and then they are done. Its just another check mark on the list of weekly/daily chores that takes them an hour or two and they are done with it.

The number of people pushing keys and really making use of the system are probably about the same as those mythic raiding, which we know is a pretty niche audience.

and M+10 is harder than anything classic has to offer. on top of changing every week / season with new affix.

But even if most people don’t try to push higher doesn’t mean the content is not there… unlike classic, where once you finish your timed strat run … that’s it. there’s nothing else in the 5-man game of classic left to challenge you. unsubcribe until next expansion… as you put it.