Mythic Plus is harder AND less rewarding, in other words simply NOT FUN

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Swayertotem-barthilas

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

If anything, we want it stupid faceroll easy so we can do our 8 +10s and then go do other stuff.

Yeah, +10 is faceroll if you invite 630-635+ with 2800-3000+. Everyone will surprised at how many 630-635+ with 2800-3000 will queue up for +10 on LFG.

Pugging first mythic bosses is still easier than +10 by a good margin. You can do first 2-4 mythic bosses at 620-625ilvl but you can’t get an invite to +10 at 620-625

You keeping saying this and it isn’t true lol.

Tons of people in the low 620s or even 618-619 are doing 10s pretty easily.

Just this week we had an easy pug 11 time with dps at 622, 627, and 615 lol.

[Yeastyholes-moon-guard]

I mean it’s very relevant to you taking every statement personally and flipping your stances in order to win the argument. It’s also relevant given you’re continuing this exchange.

@Argorwal-ysera

You keeping saying this and it isn’t true lol.

Pretty much this.

@Swayertotem-barthilas

Yeah, +10 is faceroll if you invite 630-635+ with 2800-3000+. Everyone will surprised at how many 630-635+ with 2800-3000 will queue up for +10 on LFG.

Let me ask you this: are you going to invite the 620 tank for your +10 key or are you going to invite the 635 tank? People are just going to naturally go for choosing higher geared players, especially if they out gear it.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

I mean it’s very relevant to you taking every statement personally

This is you either projecting or seeing things that aren’t there. I’m not taking things personally. Stop trying to tell me what I’m feeling or how I’m receiving things.

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

flipping your stances in order to win the argument.

I’ve asked you multiple times to show me where I flipped my stances.

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

It’s also relevant given you’re continuing this exchange.

I’m simply replying back. You on the otherhand have a habit of making claims without being able to substantiate it.

@Sôsari-dalaran

I asked you what part of my statement was incorrect and you dodged.
I asked where I flip flopped my argument and you dodged.
I asked where I made personal attacks and you dodged.

You are the one making and taking things personal because you can’t even acknowledge that my original post was correct in that you were wrong to use your anecdotes to make generalizations. This didn’t need to go past 3 posts total.

Instead you felt the need to bring up past topics, threads, and posts with other people instead of addressing the topic.

[Yeastyholes-moon-guard]

@Sôsari-dalaran

Stop trying to tell me what I’m feeling or how I’m receiving things.

Just calling it like I see it.

@Sôsari-dalaran

I’ve asked you multiple times to show me where I flipped my stances.

Don’t have time to find posts from over the course of 2 weeks to compare and contrast your contradicting statments.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

Don’t have time to find posts from over the course of 2 weeks to compare and contrast your contradicting statments.

Then don’t make claims that you can’t substantiate. Regardless, the point you made was irrelevant because you are attempting to bring in out of the argument things into what we were discussing.

I have tried to circle back to the original post being disputed multiple times, yet you keep steering it completely away to the point where these replies have nothing to do with your post.

You bringing up the “past” doesn’t dispute the claim that you used your anecdotes to make generalizations. Literally all you needed to do was say, “Oh I mispoke, I shouldn’t have generalized”. Instead you are digging your heels in saying you didn’t and steering this completely off topic.

[Yeastyholes-moon-guard]

@Sôsari-dalaran

I have tried to circle back to the original post being disputed multiple times, yet you keep steering it completely away to the point where these replies have nothing to do with your post.

If this is you trying to circle back to the the topic at hand then I don’t think I have enough breadcrumbs to make it back home after this long cringe journey.

You can also respond to multiple people in a single post so you’re clearly just focused on this for the moment which giving the ick hardcore.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

If this is you trying to circle back to the the topic

@Sôsari-dalaran

@Sôsari-dalaran

Is that surprising that you hang out and talk to other like minded people? However, that doesn’t negate the countless threads about raiders complaining when M+ was too rewarding and that they were being forced to do content they didn’t want to do

This is was my original address to you. What exactly is “wrong” with this? Nothing.

@Sôsari-dalaran

How am I taking things personally? I made a simple rely to you about how people in general surround themselves with likeminded people. Thus, more likely to hear and talk about things in agreement with our own beliefs.

@Sôsari-dalaran

Is that surprising that you hang out and talk to other like minded people? However, that doesn’t negate the countless threads about raiders complaining when M+ was too rewarding and that they were being forced to do content they didn’t want to do

The second part of it was bringing up historical analogy to state that your anecdotes are counter of that on forums. Again, forums are not good data, but they are on par with anecdotes.

@Sôsari-dalaran

Again, all of this is irrelevant. “What I’ve seen here and in GD” has nothing to do with:

@Sôsari-dalaran

How am I taking things personally? I made a simple rely to you about how people in general surround themselves with likeminded people. Thus, more likely to hear and talk about things in agreement with our own beliefs.

@Sôsari-dalaran

Is that surprising that you hang out and talk to other like minded people? However, that doesn’t negate the countless threads about raiders complaining when M+ was too rewarding and that they were being forced to do content they didn’t want to do

The second part of it was bringing up historical analogy to state that your anecdotes are counter of that on forums. Again, forums are not good data, but they are on par with anecdotes.

There was nothing personal here or anything that was incorrect. You are the one who decided to argue for the sake of arguing. Did you forget that you claimed that I flip flopped for the sake of an argument, but when asked to show where you dodged?

I asked you what part of my statement was incorrect and you dodged.
I asked where I flip flopped my argument and you dodged.
I asked where I made personal attacks and you dodged.

Right, cause I totally didn’t try to circle back multiple times that you dodged over and over because you felt the need to bring up random off-topic personal arguments. You continuously attacked the poster and not the argument.

Hence:

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

I don’t think I have enough breadcrumbs to make it back home after this long cringe journey.

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

giving the ick hardcore.

[Yeastyholes-moon-guard]

TLDR? /10 char

[Sôsari-dalaran]

That’s what I thought. You can’t seem the handle the truth especially when your claims are disproven with evidence. Keep dodging.

[Yeastyholes-moon-guard]

Just seems like you quoted a bunch of nonsense of you yapping about something you took personally mate.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

Just seems like you quoted a bunch of nonsense of you yapping

It was a bunch of quotes of me trying to rein it back to the topic when you continuously steered it away. Literally because you questioned me stating that I tried to circle back multiple times. You really can’t seem to follow. I didn’t quote all of that randomly and for no reason.

[Yeastyholes-moon-guard]

This is big “I’m not a rat, I’m a mouse” energy. You might as well just have quoted the back of a shampoo bottle.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

We can add this to the tab of you being unable to stay on topic.

[Athrogáte-stormrage]

Its going to be interesting to see which way the wind blows come season 2.

[Zalathel-tichondrius (Zalathel)]

In relevance to content the theoretical benchmark to hit to steamroll 10’s during the first month of a new season is significantly easier for 95 percent of the populations versus doing the same for mythic raiding.

[Yeastyholes-moon-guard]

@Sôsari-dalaran

We can add this to the tab of you being unable to stay on topic

Now thats just moving the goal post friend

@Athrogáte-stormrage

Its going to be interesting to see which way the wind blows come season 2.

I think it will be better provided they actually motivate people to go and do the lower levels keys before pushing higher. Larger issue is that people didn’t learn dungeons before moving up higher.

@Zalathel-tichondrius

In relevance to content the theoretical benchmark to hit to steamroll 10’s during the first month of a new season is significantly easier for 95 percent of the populations versus doing the same for mythic raiding.

100% this. I really think people overestimate how much gear you get from raiding and underestimated how much gear people would have gotten if they focused on M+ at the start of season.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

Now thats just moving the goal post friend

You clearly didn’t know what moving goalposts mean. What a fumble.

[Doors-illidan]

@Sôsari-dalaran

and that they were being forced to do content they didn’t want to do.

The funny part is with all the changes Blizzard has made since ‘timing one 15 a week for mythic track’ in BFA to make M+ harder, raiders still are expected to farm progression gear from M+, so the vocal raiders in opposition more or less just shot themselves in the foot. Lol

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

People want different things.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Doors-illidan

so the vocal raiders in opposition more or less just shot themselves in the foot.

This happens all the time too with other things like healers not wanting to DPS so they ramped up healing requirements lol.