Chadthebased:
Who cares what I said
Lmao… who cares what you said when it’s literally been the thing we have been discussing. You are literally moving goalposts now.
Right, cause I proved you wrong.
I can tell you are stuck thinking about this from a season to season perspective instead of a Season 1 to Season 1. They are not the same thing. This season is easier than SL S1 by far and even DF S1.
The issue here are players who never pushed that high in previous Season 1s on week 1, 2, and 3 that somehow feel entitled to get the top rewards. Tons of people on the forums who were never timing +17s or +20s this early in the season are crying and trying to blame tuning instead of learning the mechanics.
A lot of people are trying to compare Season to Season experience. For instance Season 3 to Season 4, when that’s not the same because you start those seasons with the previous season’s bis trinkets, secondary stats, tier sets, embellishments, and season ilvl gap is 26.
Whereas, Season 1 starts off with a 100ilvl gap from the previous expansion, then you have a 37 ilvl gap from pre-season to season cap which is more than the typical raid tier. You start with zero tier sets, zero embellishments, bad trinkets, and terrible secondary stats.
People started the season at ~605 ilvl when the cap is 639 and were complaining on day one that they couldn’t do +5s when they were never doing +15s on day one of a Season 1 in the past.
It’s amazing how people forgot what S1 of SL was like because the tuning in the first couple months were ripping tanks apart which lead to the tank meta issue. Then in DF S1 you had so much unavoidable group damage that healers were quitting. In comparison to those Season 1s, TWW is easier
Shadowlands Season 1 was definitively more difficult than it is now. The Prideful affix required perfect routing and wiping on multiple bosses without Prideful buff meant a dead key. The most notorious one being De Other Side. That season required pugs to play near perfect and forced everyone to know the mechanics.
The reason this seasons seems more difficult is because too many players became complacent in just brute-forcing their way through. They need to learn the mechanics like you pointed out with Skamarok. People also need to be more self-aware of their capabilities and stop rushing through progression.
In terms of your stance on gearing. If they can’t beat the +7s or +9s, then they need to get better. I have zero sympathy for players who hit a soft wall and give up. Seasons generally last for 6-8 months and for some reason all this crying is happening because they cant max out their vault on week 2. If people need to run +5s multiple times to really learn the mechanics, then that’s what they should be doing
Numbers don’t lie. 22% have achieved KSM when it historically takes 6-8 months for 30-35% to get there.
If you are only hitting 3 keys a week, then don’t expect to get any better and get out of M+ limbo.
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