Mythic Plus is going in the Wrong Direction

Sounds good to me. This is certainly a better solution. Failing a structural change like this though, I don’t think making gilded crests easier to get for those that are in levels awarding heroic gear isn’t terrible.

Correct, and at no point did I claim otherwise. When someone says “M+ isn’t fun for XYZ reason,” the rates of participation or completion don’t serve as a counter argument. But when someone says “fewer players are running M+ because the season isn’t fun,” that is a verifiable claim that we have the numbers to prove or disprove.

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Oh gotcha. Yeah id be fine with this too. It would cause another shake up around m+ scaling and reward system.

Cause an outburst by the same folks complaining now. But id be alright with that

The key squish increased the number of players for a given key level because the player base is less spread out over a wide key range. It directly improves one of OPs complains.

I would not be in favor of that since it would greatly diminish the point of mythic raiding.

If its a 8 and your group struggled healing tanking dpsing etc thats a skill issue. I wish they didnt squish the keys but an 8 is likr a 15-18 key level with the old system
But if you want contact me on discord (same as my charecter name) and i can reveiw your game play see if its you them or whatever and help you improve as its not the gamr faults

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Yes, from RIO.

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For the +12 and up keys of previous seasons you have to find the exact page number where it transitions from ***11 to untimed 12s. That part was tedious.

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Yes and no. It’s a “fun” issue first.

No, not interrupting the single cast the boss does which is also not spammed is not a fun issue, it’s just a skill issue. +8s drop hero track gear and gilded crests, they aren’t meant to be free.

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Yes, but there’s more to the dungeon than that.

The point remains the same. This isn’t entry level content, it is endgame content close to the top of the rewards track. If someone doesn’t want to run something of that difficulty, they don’t need to, but the design of the dungeon isn’t the issue.

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I did lol, the real thing, not the re-release or whatever.

PuG’d TogC, Ulduar hardmodes, all of that when my guild wasn’t around.

It’s my primary way of playing, and always has been.

Would just be asked for proof of the kill on normal and how far I got in previous ICC heroics, and I was in.

It wouldn’t. Everything on a scaling slider would just move in the proper direction.

They don’t need to pay to play this game, either. If they’re not having fun, that’s on the game and its designers.

Fun is subjective. Im having fun hundreds of thousands aee having fun. You arent so that could be because of a “skill” issue your lack of skill stunts your enjoyment so again if you want to improve message me on discord same as my toons name and i will help ya

Lmao. Internet bullies are so funny. 2004 called and wants it’s social dynamic back lol.

Legit offered to help you. Thats not bullying its just stating the facts. You dont find it fun so it could be because of a skill issue that causes it so i offered to help you if you want so you too can enjoy it. Its like im being nice or something

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If they can’t have fun without getting the highest level items, but they don’t want to put in any effort to improve, then they should stop playing this game and play something that isn’t designed around rewards from difficult content.

Mythic raiding forum postes and M+ pushers: The hardest content should give the best gear :sunglasses: :sunglasses:

Me: Okay so, PvP should give the best gear, since it´s the by far most difficult content in the game and lot of you people couldn´t climb the MMR ladder even if your life depended on it?

WoW Forum posters: REEEEEEEEEEE not like that

You are just naked pursuing your own interests, it is pathetic really. We all know what ur doing. Gotta gatekeep cuz it is all you got.

Classic WoW had the best WoW raid participation of all time, and everyone was easily able to get the best gear in the game by raiding. The idea that gear needs to be gatekept for the game to succeed is just wrong. Not that you people are idea people, you are lets pursue my own interests people.

No one was special in Classic WoW, everyone could raid. Yet it worked, and worked so well it made a mockery of the embarrassing retail raid numbers.

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Why is it not fun for you? It is fun for others.

Out of all the nonsense in this post, this is the most laughable. Most people didn’t raid in classic, most people didn’t hit 60 in classic.

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