That’s great! You understand your classes and know how to take advantage of their abilities.
Where did I voice any preference? The fact is you get ridiculous gear for trivial content, that progression ends and now you have to slog through low m+.
versus before where normal led to heroic led to m0 led to m+
now you can’t even go into heroics with normal gear, and you’re required to do this trivial solo content to fill in to get to the other content.
Yes, that’s silly progression. And you saying that it is a fine gateway is the issue.
the downside is being required to do delves because that’s where you gear up, because that inflated ILVL is expected to be admitted to a group. and so solo progression turns into “i don’t know just do high tier m+ and heroic raids now i guess LOL isn’t it better?”
meanwhile the 603 with one or two 610/616 andys are going into m2 and claiming they get 2 shot and it’s so hard and this is boring and bad. Shrug, I gUeSs It’S BeTtEr
yes, i sound ridiculous because i’m not as enthused as others about free handout gear because it breaks progression that they don’t care about. herp derp
This is what they’re not understanding. Too many people think they have to play this game with the pressure of a world first raider, and constantly staying “caught up” to the highest possible ilvl or else they will fall behind. When that is just not the case, this is something this person has decided to be the case for themselves.
You can tell by the way they talk about being “forced” or “required” to do “chore” delves for gear.
For what reason? What do you need the gear from delves for? Do you really need to squeeze in as much ilvl upgrades as possible every week doing content you don’t enjoy for what you want to be doing in this game? Does what you are doing in M+ currently require that from you? I would ask yourself these questions.
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No, it doesn’t. I haven’t run higher than a 3 this season. But as someone who has gotten KSM every season since SL, and KSH more seasons than not, I assure you it has nothing to do with an inability to do so. I have just lacked the uninterrupted time to run higher. This whole “if you haven’t done X the only explanation is you aren’t capable of doing X” mindset doesn’t make sense.
The mythic+ community is the most toxic group of gamer’s in any community I’ve ever dipped a toe into - people don’t want to play with you.
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If you’re progression minded, you do what progresses you. it’s not a hard concept to grasp.
Right now that includes slogging through 8 d8s a week because delves give heroic raid gear in the vault.
despite what you might think a sizable portion of the playerbase completes the achivements for m+ every season its not about esports at this point heck most of us dont even watch the m= races
Not really honestly lol it just feels like an ARPG at that point. Which isn’t horrible and I guess is technically what a solo MMORPG would be.
I would like delves to be more of a megadungeon that has checkpoints you can get to. Have 3-4 different maps/layouts per Delve.
Combine all the same type of delves (story wise) into one major one
Let it take 45-60 minutes to work your way through one.
This is what i imagine when I think of what I’d like for “challenging solo content”
Yet it’s the ones who don’t like M+ that are out here claiming that while the actual M+ community is too busy running keys to bother with toxicity. Weird how that works
What are you getting the gear from delves to do though? Like what kind of content do you want to be doing, that you feel required to do delves to get gear to be able to do?
great vault its another three chances at heroic tier and weapons
It’s irrelevant honestly.
People are people and as such, the path of least resistance (which is delves up to a certain point) is what people feel drawn to.
As an M+’ person myself, i’m doing delves for the quick gear to up my livl to make me a quick consideration when signing up for keys when i have 0 rating as a DPS (yes i can start my own groups but i like applying to keys already being filled)
You’ve just proved my point with this response.
Well I don’t think they should get rid of M+ content, just make it about titles and achievements. Running gear progression exclusively through there is just not a good idea anymore.
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If you are progression minded, you’re already in 5s getting comperable gear to what delves offer you, except you are also getting crests and stones, and building up your m+ score to push into keys that delves simply can’t compare to.
Oh, and you’re also not limited to four a day/week
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Huh? Those are the stats right now. people theorycrafting how “m+ is better” are referring to a future phantom, not the reality of the game.
You haven’t run higher than a 3, so M+ to you is 597 gear with 610 in the vault.
now take the time it took to do that, required time for score to get into groups, and compare to all the other options. that’s the progression break that hits lowend M+
It’s not. If what you want to be doing in the game doesn’t require you to do something you don’t enjoy doing, it doesn’t matter, just don’t do it then.
Not enjoying doing content is a “resistance”. If you don’t need to do it for what you want to actually be doing in the game, even if it’s easy and doesn’t take a lot of time, it still sucks and is unenjoyable for you to do, and is going to ruin your enjoyment of the game as a whole, even when you’re finally doing the content you actually want to be doing.
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5s don’t yield 616 hero gear
until you’re fully 616, running 8 d8 is basically required
Neither do delves. Not until end of week. And crazy thing about that, so do the 5s. Hell, 3s are giving heroic gear in your vault. and 3s are much easier than an 8 delve
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Blizzard made mythic plus harder starting last season. And mythic 0s baseline harder. And people are complaining no one is pugging them and pugging the more accessible delves? That you literally don’t have to wait for anyone else to do? Like that’s the whole issue. Blizzard made people who normally did the lower mythic levels hardwalled at heroic dungeons, nerfed valor stones acquisition for them to step into mythics. …
And just avoiding the whole toxic pug culture/people makes wow more relaxing. Delves are a boon and now I feel like I can work on my alts without interacting with people in the late game, build some solo sets and that’s cool. And group content is always there for more rewards you can’t get in delves.
right, you’re starting to see the issue with saying “just don’t do it then” when garbage solo content becomes a key way to progress.
just progress less! it doesn’t matter! etc, those are the clarion calls of people who never needed the 616 heroic gear in the first place.