exactly, i have no clue what they are whining about? if it is heroic gear that they want and +8 delves ARE SOOOOO EASY then wouldnt you think they would be happy? lol.
i dont even know what they are trying to get from this. delves are too rewarding they say, yet here they are with no m+5 or up cleared, nor aotc. so it is 100% trolling as far as im concerned.
or maybe they are just angry cause they cant clear a +8 delve LOL.
and to add to this, my wife hates m+ and she hates raiding. but these delves she loves it. she goes in and she has a little struggle here and there, but she takes her time, she is happy with her 4 little champion pieces each week and she is happy to see 1 heroic piece in her vault. its her style. this will last her at least 2-3 months. 1 heroic piece per week. its content made for people like her and i am glad blizzard did it.
me pesonally i will have my few mythic bosses and +10’s and she will have her champion pieces and a few heroics items. its good for her and everyone like her.
Toxic plus players raging that people dare have an option to avoid playing with Toxic Plus players and are taking it.
For the first time in 2+ expansions.
Gotta love it.
M+ ruined heroic raiding, you didn’t care then.
M+ players scream “It’s for fun not loot” but as soon as anyone mentions they shouldn’t give loot, period, but should be for cosmetics ala challenge modes… they kick and scream and roll on the floor having a tantrum.
The second any single activity in the game pulls people out of the M+ pool and gives them an option to avoid all the horrible people in it, the sky is falling.
I’ve barely logged in this week as not super interested in TWW, just not doing it for me, but seeing M+ players get a taste of their own medicine for a change is brilliant, 10 points Blizzard.
Path of least resistance is also a HUGE factor, asinine to state otherwise. Why flounder in a M+5 when t8 delve gives you more in vault? Because let’s be honest, you don’t really “gear up” in M+ the % chance to get loot at the end of M+ is rather low, but you get 100% guaranteed piece of loot PLUS decent vault options for the majority in a delve.
The question is basically why do M+ when delves are easier with better rewards? Because outside of titles and perhaps the people who do mythic raiding, there isn’t a point to do M+ anymore. Perhaps trinket chasing, but you typically and historically often get bis trinkets from the raid. (Loved the bullion system)
Normally the more difficult a task is, the more you get in return in forms of compensation. However rn the easier tasks are netting a bigger reward than the more difficult tasks and that just seems off.
see you when they get bored of delves or hit the point where there is no more progression except for doing m7 (when they’ve done not even m0) or heroic raids. 16 weeks to full heroic raid saturation, watch the forums for “hey this rng in delves stinks” or “oh boy my vault had items i already had”
I see plenty of threads saying the delve track is broken as it brickwalls progression when you’re not even 2 bubbles into the “journey.”
the problem with catering to this mindset is they’re just wanting a mile via demanding inches. there are an equal number of threads asking for more out of delves (and even some that are sanely asking for decent progression in delves since they are trivial with certain specs).
it’s funny to me because this is absolutely no different than snoreghast, except snoregast was HARD required for legendaries, where this is “you are obviously falling behind on progression if you skip delves unless you’re already heroic saturated.”
It’ll be maybe 3-4 more weeks until even with the vault reward people will stop doing delves out of boredom because running 8 of them every week just for a shot at overlapping things they already have is too much.
because, whoops, you can’t actually upgrade very far with delves due to how crests work.
so basically it’s a countdown to these delve lovers figuring out how the crest system works and wondering where the “solo progression” went. guess where it goes? M+ and heroic raids they can’t/won’t do.
But hey, it made normal raiding absolutely trivial because people are doing their first normal raid above the ilvl of the gear that drops wooo woooo
As someone who does raiding and M+ with my guild? I haven’t noticed a thing.
Stop pugging, find a group of friends, and you won’t have to come here complaining about content you don’t like. It’s almost like this is a social game or something.
Delves in general are completely handicapped compared to raiding and m+ when you consider crest upgrades, which contributes A HUGE amount to a players ilevel. In delves, you get 2 runed crests per bountiful delve and can only do 4-5 of them per week considering coffer keys. That’s literally not even a single upgrade in a week, and most solo people’s gear (which is who delves are meant for) will be hard capped at around 600-605 for the vast majority of the season … Maybe by the end of the season, solo players will be upwards of around 610-615, but only if they get incredibly lucky RNG in their vault.
Now compare that m+ and raiding. In raiding, you can get 120 crests per clear, plus gear drops and with m+, you can literally season cap in a day if you spam plus gear drops. Normal raiding is easy, heroic is challenging only for a few weeks. Mythic+ content up to about +6 or +7 is still decently easy, and you’re getting 606 - 610 end of run gear. And again m+, is infinitely spammable.
Delves might be quicker for the first few weeks, but guaranteed if you compare someone who just raids, just does m+ and just does delves. The person who does only delves will be the lowest geared by the end of the season by a large margin.
EDIT: Just to add … IMO, the problem isn’t that Delves are more rewarding … It’s Mythic+ is just more tedious and the overall experience is less fun, at least with within the pug scene. Instead of people complaining about delves, maybe they should be calling for Blizz to make m+ better.
What groups are you running with that you think a mythic 2 is way harder than a t8 delve? I am genuinely curious, 2s are free even if you’re just coming from gearing through heroic dungeons.
reward is a function of time and less than 10% of all mythic runs are 7/8
i love how you casually throw around “just do m7/8” like it’s anywhere near equivalent to the difficulty and loot out of delve8
rewards are a function of time. In less than 10 hours of time you will have 5 heroic raid pieces. That’s more rewarding than doing progression heroic raiding or m+ runs.
the pervasive point on the forums is how pointless/hard/unrewarding M1-6 is due to this.
it’s the same that it always was, the experiment to hand people who don’t want to do progression midpoint rewards is ongoing. all it did was make the people interested in progression skip early m+ which has turned bottom tier m+ into a butchery of people who need the gear getting turned away because someone else has higher ilvl they got via an npc carrying them.
In other words, brain dead delve progression has become the early m+ progression. that’s the complaint, and both those m+ interested AND delve interested are different sides of the same coin.
delve progression should have been isolated from the rest of the game, just like PVP loot is.
Having ran some keys, the issue is that there are a good number of people whom geared through delves and dont run dungeons, and are unfamiliar with m+ mechanics which can wipe a group.
Ara-kara city of echoes i’ve had many wipes because DPS would tunnel on boss rather than deal with the small adds that spawn in, to the point I stop before that boss and give a full explanation regardless of peoples io.
I just want mythic+ to be inclusive and fun again for casuals. Why are we at each others throats over the gear. You can give me the best gear in the game and I’d still not like what they’ve done to mythic+ this season
I was being pedantic, man people will take you seriously about anything. t8 delves are not free loot as you say, it does require you to pay attention or you die. just like any other higher level of content
