I don’t care if raiders have better gear. I care about my own progression, my character.
I also raid, surprise!!! although casually, i’m still in there every week killing mythic bosses.
I don’t care what gear raiders have. I’ll repeat this. It doesn’t matter to me whatsoever. I just think your logic of trying to lower M+ a tier just so that raiding feels more rewarding is wrong. It makes no sense, and up until recently (which by the way we couldn’t even upgrade a weapon more than once a week with valor) you probably weren’t disenchanting gear.
Make raiding better for the sake of raiding, no one is going to magically want to commit to 8 hours a week because m+ is worse.
If there’s a lot of downtime, it’s just a bad group tbh. I’ve been in pugs where people talk for 5 minutes between each pull and it’s awful.
No, you can get the same ilvl gear from M+ vault. That’s why gear from mythic bosses keeps getting disenchanted even from first kills, which feels bad.
regardless of your opinion, Blizzard considers M+16 the same difficulty as Mythic Eranog.
as They both are the starting point for Concentrated Primal Focus rewards.
I’m not either. M+ gearing literally could be thrown into a vacuum and I would be happy. It still wouldn’t make me want to raid anymore than I already do everyweek.
Trust me - I could find a 9 hour a week serious CE pushing raid team. But guess what? I don’t enjoy raiding. Has nothing to do with gear.
yeah but the raid has the best trinkets and a lot of very good weapons etc
and its highest ilvl is 424. m+ only people will never see a 424.
its not just ilvl, but what the items are themselves too
i dont have that many 421 yet vault still manages to troll me, so ive gotten sidegrades from first few bosses mythic. its mostly the problem that you get what, 4-5 items per boss to be split between 20 people? once a week?
Terros is like the first actual challenge and that boss just has a horrible drop table in general.
They kinda messed up only putting in 2 super rare items, one being off the second boss and the vault having a slot at 2/8, well i forgot the ring too off of eranog, which gets lumped into 2/8
It’s better to just kill up to primal council than trying to prog up to kurog
But that’s what I’m saying. If keys were tuned differently, you would have the same progression, the ilvl on gear would just be lower, but it wouldn’t make a difference because the key levels would be tuned accordingly. Then you could further progress your character by doing mythic raids.
It makes no sense that dungeons give the same gear as raids. The progression throughout the game has always been dungeons → raids. Most people don’t even have AOTC because Heroic Raszageth is hard, and yet it drops the same ilvl gear that you can get from your vault for completing a +15. It’s a joke.
Only if they want to raid. If all they want to do is M+ and they can get good enough gear from M+, they don’t need to raid. The issue is right now you need to do M+ because it gives better gear than Heroic.
thing is that people who actually like m+ are pushing
if raiding drops higher ilvl than m+, then they will be compelled to raid to keep pushing key levels
there’s a big overlap between top keyers and being 8/8m with pieces from raid anyway
