thats your opinion tho, not a fact
i like both m+ and raiding but m+ feels more fast paced and (therefore more fun) to me
im not sure how they could make raiding better tbh. loot access maybe but m+ isnt that generous with loot in all honesty, just doesnt have the weekly lockout
or softening the 20 body requirement for mythic. the lockout system is also bad for pugging but i kinda get why it exists
and so what? Itās not hurting Raiding, itās helpingā¦
Summoning stone at every boss. Rez at the boss door.
Make buffing easier. Less downtime. My problem is downtime.
How do you suggest they improve raiding? Only complaints Iām seeing is that itās āhard to get a groupā or āthe mechanics are too hardā. Thatās a you problem, not a raiding problem.
I donāt see how lowering the gear ilvl to heroic-level is ruining M+? If you arenāt planning on raiding anyway, you wouldnāt even notice the difference if the key levels are tuned accordingly.
Heroic level gear is awful.
Think about what ilvl that gear is right now.
End of dungeon is only 405, FROM A +20 AND valor was capped up until recently.
Not enough stats bro.
ok yeah i agree xd
weāre on sennarth prog rn and the scramble to find peoples bodies to brez them (until we got a lock for ss) was not a fun time
they should also lessen trash in raids. dont have to get rid of it altogether but jesus
and no more cheeky rp fun bits that arent skippable. the assault at the beginng of vault was cute and fun the first few times. not the 50th. same with council gauntlet
We are also on sennarth, and the bodies donāt snap and itās so frustrating
OP is reason why we need battle tag on forums like any other normal game has.
Lierally 1 dude hater spam posting same crap and with multiple alts liking,posting support of this crap bye.
And btw there are more m+ players than radeirs.
Game would be dead years ago without m+ for some reason devs ignore and dont put any reward struture,any cosmetics into it and just barely has anything new.
sennarth is probably my least favorite fight and i play a class that trivializes it a bit
love clipping things with strafe then completely losing control of my character just spinning away on the ice into the void
Itās the downtime, prep time, etc. that made raiding lose its appeal for me.
Personally, I wish they would include more raids, specifically smaller raids. Like 1-3 bosses in a raid. They had a handful of them in Wrath.
Also, in my opinion boss encounters go on for too long. Until you are facerolling them.
It is probably just me, but my attention span has waned as Iāve gotten older. I have to get up and stretch more than I used to. Mythic + dungeons, on the other hand, are short and sweet enough and I can do them on my own time.
Exactly.
Like I said - You can try and tear down M+ as much as you like, but it wonāt make people magically want to raid more.
That doesnāt even make sense. If you pretend mythic raids donāt exist, the highest ilvl gear would be ~408 in both heroic raiding and keys, and the keys would be tuned so 20s can be pushed with that ilvl. The only reason to complain is because āmythic raiders are getting better gear and thatās not fairā.
yeah raiding is a marathon, m+ is a sprint
i think more people enjoy sprints but that doesnt mean marathon enjoyers arent out there
I mean I clearly explained it.
End of dungeon 405 is awful from a +20.
Itās actually not worth it to walk into a +20 with +19 gear on.
This is my point. Valor was capped until recently. Thereās no shot you think that heroic ilvl loot is enough to push +20s (which the vault is currently capped at)
402ilvl pushing +20s lmao
Iām not OPās alt, and Iām also for battle tags. I still think M+ is bad for raiding. 
Sadly, raiding is bad for raiding.
And thatās a valid observation.
Iād also like to add, itās way easier assembling a five man group for something than it is to assemble people for a raid. At least, thatās how it was when I last raided (Legion)
I personally donāt think M+ has hurt raiding, but rather helped the game provide an avenue for some players who donāt enjoy raiding. I donāt think either m+ or raiding need to go anywhere, though.
Thereās always room for improvement for both.
tbf i was doing 20s at that ilvl
granted i play healer which is a veryā¦ not mandatory role for groups xd
it is a gear diff between m+ and raiding a bit, but the thing is that anyone serious about pve in general does both.
Again, that makes no sense. Numbers are relative.
If 20s were tuned around that ilvl, you wouldnāt say 405 is awful.
The only reason to complain is because you donāt want mythic raiders to have access to better gear.
mythic raiders have access to the best pve gear in the game?
thing about tuning 20s to be completed at heroic ilvl (which i think theyre not far from, but it requires a bit more oomph from your group than everyone at 415 like we have now) is that the people who wanna push are still kinda
stuck