I wouldn’t be opposed to making everything 10% harder, and then widening it to +8s.
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You say this, but you are advocating for gilded crests at +7 when it’s entirely too easy for the ilvl it would reward. It’s literally week 2 of the season. People are still learning the mechanics and the nuances of the dungeons.
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Neither are 9’s.
It’s just an annoying grind because it turns into a 10 which is a massive shoot up in difficulty, so you drop it back down to 9 to contineu the boring grind to get gear to do 10’s
7-9 are mostly interchangeable in difficulty
I guess? I would argue most eights require more mechanical knowledge of the game then heroic. Only boss that stands out is the last boss of this tier.
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Idk about that. I don’t think +8 timer is in danger of depleting for most groups assuming they don’t wipe.
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M+ should give you more crests and more chance at loot to even out the loot from delves and be a better source of crests, and maybe a bigger first time valorstone bonus. Also M0 should give at least 1/8 Champion not Veteran, and 4/8 or better from the weekly vault.
See Padgarre is on your side! 
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True but must heroic bosses are absolutely free this tier in terms of difficulty. I am more arguing for a even difficulty curve then an easier go.
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The difficulty curve is fine though?
+9 is just 10% on an eight, and the fight to compare it to is Silken Court which it’s been nerfed mechanically since it was too complex.
But m+ dungeons have also been nerfed vs launch.
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Wow, two, hold me back!
Here’s a thought, you’re the wrong one, you’re arguing opinion like facts. Maybe just worry about yourself? The whole idea of never upgrading hero track because of the way it’s set up now is ridiculous. There are other solutions other than saying “haha now it’s not welfare gear”.
We’ll see what happens but Blizzard will listen to the numbers, not you or I. I’m not playing a ton, maybe a run or two a day, but 9s are fine for me so far. Your arbitrary opinion of what is welfare vs mine is fine, we just disagree. There could be people out there that think that 9s aren’t hard enough either.
Tldr: we’ll see, and you’re not “right”, just arrogant
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If this is true than there is no reason to change anything since a +9 is just as easy your own point is moot.
Just run the 9
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Raiders are the most fragile people in wow, thanks for proving it.
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I just think having a buffer level would help out. You hit a gear wall to quickly before 9s
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but that just changes keys listed from 9 to 8 and we’re back at square one.
Like 19s were a dead level.
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I’m advocating for a way to level up hero gear which should be used to help the average player to get to 9s. Realistically hero gear should just be completely upgradable with runed crests.
Adding, I’m not sure why people are comparing M9s to mythic raid. One drops 623+ gear while the other drops near worthless 610. The only thing they share is crests.
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The average player likely needs LFR content.
And +2s might be too hard.
Should compare it to Silken Court.
Heroic gear, gilded crests.
Then Heroic Ansurek if you wish.
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Then they should buff the first 4 bosses on mythic raids to be equivalent to 10+s with low gear.
It’s a nonsensical discussion on this thread.
M8s should be dropping on vault M lvl tier, its just a slow gear grind and raiders are only bothered by it cause they don’t want to spam m+s besides raiding.
All that should’ve been done is increase crests highly in raids and everyone would be happy.
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It changes it from 8-9-10.
A big issue this season is that unless you skipped over delves entirely there really are not many upgrades in low keys beyond crests
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No, lol.
You’re making rewards LESS valuable by giving them out sooner.
I suggest we lower everything to queued content level. No one [should] be excluded then.
M+ trivialized raids. Delves trivialzed m+.
Don’t see an issue really, but delves rewarding lower ilvl might be better for the game as a whole.
It changes levels at which people will consider doing runs at. (8 instead of 9.) 9s might be hard to find a group of decent players for.
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None the “top” percentage of players are struggling with keys atm. I’ve maxed my gilded and filled my vault with 10’s without issue.
Is this a problem for AOTC Andy’s and players hardstuck at the KSM level? Sure, but that was also the side sites outcome of this game. Work for your meal or wait until gear progression trivializes it.
Sounds like normal raids being useless for 8 years because people just skip it farming trivial keys.