I think the mythic+ dungeons are actually fine in terms of difficulty(minus some bugs) but I believe people are gonna start hitting a wall very soon in terms of gear progression. Even some of the top% of players in premade groups/fotm classes and 620+ ilvl are having a tough time getting past 11-12 barrier on some dungeons. 620 might not even be realistic to achieve for many unless they drip feed some crests from delves.
There is a gap in gear below 9+ that fulfills no purpose. You can get hero gear but not the resources to upgrade it fully. I think its fair to withhold mythic gear as thats the endgame but slowly upgrading hero gear should be a handicap you can get overtime and help players reach myth. It feels like that is currently not present.
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I never saw anything wrong with the previous system. Not really sure why it had to be changed.
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What was wrong with it was that it was a welfare system and getting aspect crests were so much easier in m+ than in raid that one mode was mandatory play for everyone (m+) to be competitive while the other was relegated to “do this for a slightly better bis trinket”
Now that you have access to gilded crests from last 2 bosses in heroic raid or from 9+, difficulty to acquire gilded crests is relatively equal. I think you’ll find most players clearing heroic raid arent hitting a wall at m+9 and vice versa… finally a good balance of difficulty to reward in play modes.
M+ white knights have just gotten so used to being spoon fed max item level gear that they’ve been coasting on their mindless crest farm and 8-a-week vault farm so long they’ve forgotten what it’s like to actually do modes they don’t particularly like or not out-gear their target content.
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a welfare system means that I just get mailed stuff. If you are doing the dungeons it’s not welfare. People don’t work for welfare, they just receive it.
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Ppl don’t work for a +7 either… you mindlessly mash buttons and stuff dies.
If you really want gilded crests, just ++ your +7 and faceplant in the +9… you’ll get 5 of em.
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not really true, u have to work just as hard for a 7 than u would a 9, the difference is you complete many +7s u get no rewards. the crests are capped, which means if you want to upgrade your stuff u need to be timing 9/10s to convert it into hero crests over the cap.
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Oh I see, your issue is with the crest cap… then the solution is simply for blizz to give us a larger weekly cap, which I wholeheartedly support. Why would you want ppl to get gilded crests at +7?
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I’d rather caps didn’t exist, but I know people would complain at that and say people would just stop playing. I have a different mentality, when I am done with one character I just level another one.
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Well that’s an easy answer, 18s/8s weren’t hard enough to reward mythic gear
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Why not. Why does it have to be this leet hardcore gamer thing to have good gear lol. Just get ur cheevs, title, all that.
Plenty of ppl i knew didnt move past heroic gear in those seasons. Even if it was easy.
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Because effort should equal reward?
Otherwise why not just give full gear on log in
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Why arent the rewards of portals and io and titles and mythic achieves not good enough?
I know we are all giga chad gamers here or whatever but believe me when i say plenty of people are not capable of holding their own in even a 7.
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Those aren’t rewards in my book
It’s an rpg, gear is the reward and the reward needs to match the difficulty
If someone can’t achieve the gear, that’s on them
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Fun was detected.
Or, more realistically, some top end players whined and cried and peed their pants and thus the perfectly functional system an overwhelming majority of players liked had to be changed for the worse.
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I think they wanted to make it so it wasn’t easier to get crests from m+ than it was from raid. I would say that they hit the nail on the head with similar difficulty vs. crest rewards in m+ and raid.
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M+10 is STILL easier than mythic raiding by miles, but there has to be compromise somewhere
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But not the quantity in which you can acquire them.
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Do you think raids and keys should have reasonably similar difficulty to reward ratios?
They are both end game PvE pillars rewarding max item level PvE gear.
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Theyll never be equal because one is 20 man and the other is 5 man.
Reasonably equal not exactly equal.
A tier 8 delve is harder than LFR and that is solo vs 25 man! Impossible!
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