Nice. I don’t know that I’ll ever go that high. I tend to get bored. But maybe?
I think KSM is totally doable though. The only reason I’m even close is simply because the new content is refreshing and fun again. For now!
Luckily they made ksm achievable at lower than mostly 15s. I think I’m 1780 or so and most of mine are 12 and under
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Do you want to look at the data of the last 2 fights that’s actually matter or a 15-20 pull third boss? And do you want to talk about m+ or raid?
I looked at all available DPS stats, for all bosses, and M+. I also made a custom report that sums up the DPS disparity in raids and mythic+. It definitely helped solidify my opinion that Lock damage is undertuned. Maybe I’ll look at your guild now, too.
EDIT:
Your highest Lock is putting out a substantial amount less damage than his guild’s highest Lock. No need to even do any other comparisons 
Check my guilds normal parses. Lock op.
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I can’t see your guild in WCL 
Topping brood and 2nd best on the last boss but HOLY HELL are they bad, i mean look at the terros ranking!
(Not to mention, once again required for gate alone on the last boss, even if they did 0 damage, which they don’t)
Also if you’re using logs to look at m+ dps numbers then you’re setting the bar lower than i originally thought(which was really low to begin with).
Yeah, that’s not true at all.
Pittyb (your highest ranked Lock, feel free to correct if this isn’t the Lock to reference) dealt 49k on Brood the first run (12/21), 51k the second (12/27). That’s substantially lower than your other DPS. If you don’t know this, and this is the guild you’re in… That guild has major problems.
- You dealt 66k and 71.9k respectively. (Props btw, those are pretty sick numbers)
- Somagore dealt 54k and 57k respectively.
- The list goes on.
Based on those findings, I’m not really interested in digging any further. You’ve proven my point, and you’re not even being honest about the situation. You yourself outdamaged the highest rated Lock in your guild by 17k and 20k respectively.
Again, the discussion is not that Warlocks are entirely without a place (gates are great for multiple bosses in Vault). The discussion is that the DPS is undertuned, especially for the rotation complexity. The only thing you’ve done in this discussion is berate me with typical “git gud” BS, and now I see that your Warlocks are suffering from the same issues. Their DPS is simply lackluster.
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Out of curiosity, are there any dps across any specs that are running cleave or aoe builds for a pure st fight? Don’t know why you specified strict st build twice.
Are you trying look at heroic logs rn? Especially on fights where i can pretty much solo the adds (since it’s heroic and not actual content).
There are builds that it’s not an outright necessity. If you want to be optimal, you’re just going to throw on ST talents and pull the boss. However, the main point in bringing up the ST builds is that the disparity between ST vs a cleave build is not as great on other classes. MM for example can just rock a cleave build on ST bosses and only lose ~4k DPS (depending on ilevel etc). The disparity is the key takeaway: Warlocks who aren’t rocking a strictly ST build will suffer from a much larger DPS disparity than a fair number of other classes / specs.
Yes, I was looking at Heroic. I only see 3/8 in Mythic, which means either the logs have not been parsed or they’ve not been uploaded. I can’t look at data I don’t have 
The numbers I do see in Mythic, however, show the exact same thing. Highest rated Lock being severely outdamaged by other DPSes in your guild.
Its almost like there are better ppl at the game then myself the my guild who have progged much further in mythic (the actual raid difficulty). Maybe you should look at them! Which brings us back to the skill issue. Yes demo sucks at terros, but no one cares about terros. No one.
Uh, I wasn’t looking at Terros. I just listed Brood numbers. The only numbers I have access to for your guild and Brood, btw. Those numbers back my thread, and echo the sentiment entirely. All the publicly available data shows that your highest rated Lock is consistently outdamaged by other DPS, including lower ilevel characters.
You keep talking about “skill issues”. Are you this much of a douche to the Locks in your guild? Do you berate them for being consistently outDPSed in every encounter?
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Ive said 20 times no one cares about heroic parses, and it’s not the skill issue for terros parses(which again no one cares about) but the skill gap between us and ppl who are 8/8. And to look at them for how well classes perform on the hard/important bosses since i haven’t even gotten to them yet.
I’m bringing up terros again since that and heroic brood are the only things you care to look at atm.
Okay, let me break this down for you. Again, if we need to bust out crayons and draw a cute little picture, let me know. You’ve only uploaded 3/8 mythics. That’s it. That’s on you and whoever is responsible for uploading logs.
Even in those three mythics, the same DPS disparity exists. Only one of those bosses is Terros, since I CLEARLY have to spell out for you that 3/8 doesn’t mean “Terros, Terros, and Terros.” Does that make sense? Truly, do we need a diagram here? The three bosses I can see in Mythic are Terros, Eranog, and Council. That’s a pretty good spread, and your highest rated Lock is outDPSed on them as well.
How much more simple can I put this for you to finally understand?
Didnt i literally just say to look at people better than me and to check the hard boss
Yeah, I just witnessed a stroke. If that’s on me for causing you to think too much, my apologies. Best wishes, hoping you have a speedy recovery.
Yea i was typing on my phone, glad that’s all you have to pull at though since you must have missed the previous post telling you to look at ppl better than me who have done more than the first 3 of a raid
No, you’re not getting out that easily, big guy. YOU came to my thread telling me to get good. YOU came here berating me for voicing my opinion that Warlock is undertuned on the DPS side. I evaluated YOU and YOUR guild because of that. YOU and YOUR guild proved my point further.
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