My Cataclysm PvP analysis

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I write this after PvPing a lot in Cataclysm. It’s much worse than I remember:

GENERAL

There is WAY too much CC. It’s absolutely insane how I’m completely locked down for entire seconds, smash my trinket, and IMMEDIATELY get chain CC’d to death right after. The worst offenders might be warriors or fire mages, but there’s so much to choose from that I can’t pick a single one. I am 100% convinced that Cataclysm is the #1 King of blanket silences of all expansions as well, which is probably why most of them were removed in later expansions. Now I’ll get into the classes:

Warrior
Charge/intercept back to back stuns. Knockdown. Gag order. Intimidating shout. Improved hamstring root is the nail on the coffin. All of this and they can leap across the map. It’s way too much for a heavy melee plate class. Prot wars might even be worse with their constant silences.

Mage
Pure caster cancer. CONSTANT impact stun to the point where I can’t even move. If impact isn’t stunning me, I’m hit with dragon’s breath, frozen in ring of frost, or counterspell blanket silenced. Impact should’ve never existed and whoever came up with it should’ve been fired. I’m a caster so I don’t have too many complaints about frost mages constantly slowing/rooting but I’m willing to bet that melee can’t handle it.

Druid
Feral druids are without question the most broken thing in PvP. They attack me from stealth with a stun and if I don’t have trinket, I’m automatically dead because by the time the stun wears off, I’ve already been hit with 9000 mangles and stacked with enough bleeds to take off 75% of my health. They kill me faster than literally any other class in the entire game. Their dots make my affliction dots look pathetic. I can’t use seduction on them, I can’t outrun them, and I can’t outdamage them. They’re unstoppable killing machines. They not only get their own shadowstep and sprint mechanics but they can spam shift out of slows. It’s completely unfair and my abilities do nothing to create gaps on them.
Balance druids are nearly as much cancer with their root + infinite silence beam combo. It must be nice being able to spam moonfire/sunfire for infinite mobility as well. Balance druids top the charts of every bg I go to.

Rogue
Shadowstep alone makes this class completely broken. It’s bad enough that they stun me out of stealth but the second I port away, they shadowstep right to me. The CD of shadowstep is 24 seconds while demonic circle is 30 seconds. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Shadow dance is way too strong to be a 1-minute cd as well, give me a break. One time I was jumped by a rogue and he spammed 20k ambushes on me; keep in mind I have like 3.6k resil and glyphed soul link for extra 25% damage reduction. Their damage is out of control and they have no right having an automatic mortal strike mechanic.

Hunter
These ones take second place for killing me faster than any other class in the game. Out of stealth I am frozen in a trap or put to sleep then shot for 40% of my health. These guys also get a pet stun or a mortal strike as well, very fair. They don’t need stealth or mortal strike mechanics, and don’t even get me started on those stupid snake traps that spam me with poison effects.

Death Knight
Without question the #1 most brainless faceroll class in the game, mainly frost spec of course. Their damage is out of control and take zero effort to play. They go immune to fear and all magic debuffs with AMS while simultaneously slaughtering me, and what’s the cooldown and range on deathgrip, like 20 seconds/40 yards? Sure seems that way. Death grip is a game-breaking mechanic if you’re a ranged class and chains of ice is the most broken snare in the entire game. I believe it’s a 90% (or 70%) slow that can be spammed at range. Stupid idea.

Warlock
My only issue with them is fear spam. Fear should’ve never been given zero cooldown and needs to break sooner. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve sat through an entire fear duration while dropping to 50% health or lower. Aside from that, they don’t bother me, but of course I am a warlock so I’m biased.

Paladin
The only issue I have with them is the fact that they can use divine shield/bubble and keep doing damage to you, sometimes even killing you. There’s zero counterplay so I guess just stand there and keep getting beat in the face while your completely immune-to-everything opponent laughs at you. Truly one of the dumbest ideas in multiplayer gaming history to literally ever exist.

The rest of the classes don’t bother me too much so I won’t say anything. Druids need to be nerfed into the ground though. Extremely versatile hybrids like them shouldn’t be destroying the damage, tanking, and healing charts while also being unstoppable flag runners. They’re terribly designed.

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same advice to anyone who ever says this sort of thing: if you honestly think that, reroll. You have no excuse to keep complaining and not reroll.

:woman_shrugging:

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Just wanna correct you since you were wrong literally immediately, warrior doesn’t have 2 charges. Charge shares CD with intercept thanks to the talent that lets us charge in combat. So we have charge (1s mini-stun), and throwdown (5s stun). Leap is trash and barely works.

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Opinion on pvp invalidated then?

Also idk half the stuff you complained about are abilities that classes have had for multiple xpacs. Maybe less bg and more arena would change your pov.

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Why? Even though this person doesn’t arena, it’s not like they are wrong.

There is a reason why jungle/RLS/Godcomp/LSD2 are so strong. Their CC set ups are way too long. Nothing is going to happen, the point is still valid. CC chains in Cata are out of control and not fun.

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Yep.

And now you can do what the better players from them do. Counter some of this.

On rogue, or shadowmeld NE like say DK…I stealth. Druid/rogue sees the 1 dude. They engage them, I engage the druid/rogue.

Since BG was mentioned…there are bad ways to play AB. Leaving one dude on the points would be on of them. Stealth classes don’t go lets do the zerg fight by the gate.

stealth classes go…75% of the enemy is here. 25% is on points. Lets find the point with one dude. And thus you get stunlock death. That would have been avoided with…2 or 3 dudes on the point.

3 cap longer win with 2 or more defenders or take the chance the pin to start GY strat fails. Pick the poison really.

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Yes, because Arena is the ONLY type of PvP in the game right now.

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The funny bit is if we get legion they will complain about dh.

Spectral vision the druid/rogue, fel rush, and it has 2 cc’s.

Best a rogue/druid has the dh is a keyboard turner.

It’s fun as dh when you show them you aren’t.

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So a 13-second cd shadowstep. Beyond unbalanced for a heavy plate class, actually makes zero sense to be in arms tree. Meanwhile my circle cd is 30 seconds, seems fair. Also, not all warriors are arms and have warbringer.

Oh also nerf blood dk’s. Their self-healing is completely unbalanced except they can do it while doing decent dps. Truly a broken spec.

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Don’t worry, warriors fall into irrelevance once all the broken casters get their legendary, atleast until gurthalak in Dragon soul. You’ll have plenty of time to beat up on better players than you till then.

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Almost everything they’re complaining about are abilities classes have had multiple xpacs lol

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The only type that matters. Yes.

The only one the game is balanced around. Yes.

The only version of the entire game with skill expression. Yes. Lol

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That’s a matter of opinion.

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Its not. It’s just objective reality. Opinions are like your favorite color is red.

Arena is THE premium pvp mode and the thing the ENTIRE game is balanced around. Its the only mode that matters, the only mode to judge someones individual skill off of, and the rest all trickles down from there. Enjoy bgs etc all you want, that is the casual part of the game. Objectively.

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No…

Me saying my favourite colour is red is OBJECTIVE. If I said red was the best colour, THAT would be an opinion.

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Lmao you have it very backwards

Its objective that you like red

Your opinion that you like red is subjective

I dont intend to argue semantics with you, but good job ignoring the point of my reply while also being incorrect.

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No, I really don’t.

THIS doesn’t even make sense.

Alright, I’ll respond to the rest.

Matter of opinion.

Would be so if it weren’t for boosts.

What came first, hmm?

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Objective fact is that bobs favorite color is red
Him liking red best is a subjective opinion he holds

You absolutely have this backwards, im not trolling, unfortunately. Idk how you’ve gone around as an adult not understanding this.

Thats a terrible argument.

The entire game is NOW balanced around arena and is the premiere mode for it… what came first has no bearing on what is the mode to judge pvp on.

“Matters” is subjective you can prefer bgs, but in the context of criticising the balance of the game like OP it is the objectively only mode that “matters”. Excluding arena makes the entire post invalid or at the very least unserious.

Enjoy your bgs

Just don’t start talking about game balance etc when you aren’t going to include the only game mode that the game is balanced around… hence the only mode that “matters”. You took that statement emotionally like i was saying bgs dont matter at all, its just in this context of class & game balance you must talk about arena or theres no conversation to be held since its not balanced around anything else.

You just will not win an argument against an informed person speaking objective truth. Find the ripcord and better luck next time.

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Don’t run away. We’ll discuss it.

Boosts - Carries - Messing around in Arenas - No 1v1 options.

This statement is invalid.

My point was that BGs have been around since (almost) the beginning. We then got RBGs.

I’m not saying that someone who is doing a complete breakdown of the PvP scene shouldn’t at least participate in every aspect of it, but that’s not what the OP did.

Everything they said is verifiable by just doing BGs.

You literally said:

Their rant does not need to include ANYTHING about arena to be valid. Again, all of their points can either be proven or disproven by just entering battlegrounds.

They are reporting/ranting on what they have experienced in BATTLEGROUNDS. Not to mention, they may have participated in arenas in previous expansions, or heck, maybe they did in original Cataclysm.

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Hunter is literally at the bottom of the totem pole. We don’t have self-heals, we don’t have enough defensives, our power CDs are 3-5 min, our traps are not guaranteed to work as intended, we have a melee dead zone, and none of our CC allows us to do damage for free.

Even a Warlock can go up to a Hunter in melee and can cast, though it’s tougher as they are slow. But Warlocks already rate better as Destro in the DPS department.

Hunters are great support DPS, make no mistake. That’s probably your issue that it’s not the support classes going down fast enough to get them out of the way. In all fairness, a Hunter that doesn’t know what they’re doing is a wasted slot and is low-key trolling their team.