Multiboxing wasn't the issue

Who is trying to hard to play a video game? MB?

Yea. Multiboxing was ridiculous. Every player has had to deal with it numerous times and been on the receiving end of it numerous times.

People who want it back are those players who are too awful at wow to play without cheat codes.

Good riddance multiboxing, and good riddance to any of the cheaters who quit over it being gone.

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ROFL multiboxing isnā€™t gone.

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Iā€™d love to take a peek at your spreadsheet.

Itā€™s not gone. Itā€™s never been gone, and itā€™s still never not been allowed.

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someone having a sook about pvp?
how new and original.
thereā€™s always going to be someone on the losing end of the stick.

if you were interested in ā€œfairā€ pvp, you wouldnā€™t have rolled alliance on proudmooreā€¦ which is a ā€œcheat codeā€ within itself.

Itā€™s not ā€œpunishingā€ if you read the ToS as a legally binding contract. When a particular activity is labeled as ā€œnot supportedā€ it usually means two things, 1.- That by participating in non-supported activities you are renouncing your guarantees/support services. 2.- Activities that fall into contractual gray zones can later on be modified into either actionable offenses or outright supported activities depending on the circumstances. What it is not ā€œrightā€ is to retroactively punish a user for an activity that WAS supported and arbitrarily made illegal without getting your consent or signing a whole new contract.

What I mean is that participating in non-supported activities does have consequences, but they cannot be labeled as punitive actions since they were never LEGAL to begin with.

Did people expect banning multiboxing to fix the issue?

I donā€™t wanna wreck yours either, but banning the vehicle that makes it so popular and widespread effectively does and even if you want to try to keep taunting about how MBing is still possible then I guess the MB playerbase has nothing to complain about.

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I like how the people defending multi boxing are all just pretending that itā€™s bots multi boxing when gathering, or people lvling up characters to then get achievements and sell the accounts.

No, that still doesnā€™t ban it. Hardware boxing was around long before ISBoxer. Hardware boxing is still viable. So is boxing without broadcasting.

Thatā€™s not a taunt. Itā€™s a true statement. Backed up by Blizzard policyā€¦

Much like the anti-crowd makes up their own rules and ethics that feel need to be forced onto ALL players because they (falsely) believe that EVERY boxer is out to gouge their herbs, one shot them, or commit some other ā€œcrimeā€. Stereotype much?

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Lmfao good job taking all the context out of what you quoted me on. :clown_face:

You canā€™t even say people are falsely pointing out how multi boxing is crashing the market for herbs and flaks. You can follow the prices as they are all 1/4 of what they used to be.

But no plz go on keep doing mental gymnastics and taking things out of context to try and spin a narrative.
:clown_face::clown_face::clown_face:

So for everyone thatā€™s not an alchemist the MBs are doing them a favor.

No, not pvp.

Cheating.

Right because cross realm zones donā€™t exist right?

Its really not. Once herbs are down too much they move to skinning and ores. Ores are already worthless, and skinning is getting there. Once all these prices crash it crashes everything else around them making every mat in SL worthless, as well as crafted items. This means normal players have less gold and most of the games economy will be run by just the bots, and the multi boxers. Its why they crash the market. So you wonā€™t invest time in farming at all.

Iā€™m on a full server and Iā€™m not seeing this market crash. Death Blossom was 9g last night. Flasks are around 750 to 800. The regular leathers are between 2 to 4g and the blue quality 600 to 700+.

Whatā€™s wrong with these prices?

Blizzard has left MBing unchecked for a very long time. I never knew what it was until TBC and people claim they did it in vanilla. Then blizzard introduced the wow token and multitapping nodes and mobs in legion which gave more incentive for MB activities. They finally only reigned in MB at the end of BFA.

My point is I holistically refuse to humor the idea that their MB policy update was anything along the lines of hasty or ill informed because they left it alone, even downplaying it periodically, for all these years even though people have been complaining about it since the day they realized an Ele 5 boxer could run in and butcher a group of people in the press of a button or two. Whether it was a poor decision is a lot more subjective.

Comparisons donā€™t need to be equivalent because thatā€™s what makes them a comparison to begin with. And my comparison is laid out to attack the thought process of how bad guys donā€™t follow rules. Thereā€™s a very obvious connection between the two even if theyā€™re not apples to apples.

The focus is not on the activities and if their equivalent and thatā€™s fine. The focus is on the mentality of the belief about how to handle bad guys and what works or doesnā€™t work against them.

Well those people who make popular bots like that also get taken to court over it, potentially sued, and the effectiveness of those lawsuits varies from country to country. Thereā€™s also been jailtime for people doing stuff over video games, though itā€™s usually less tied to activities performed in the actual game and more of actual criminality performed with the game being the medium (IE: DDoSing, swatting, etc).

Iā€™ll give you some time to read up on the term effectively.

Broadcasting software was what was bannedā€¦?

Taunts can be true statements. A taunt is nothing more than a statement made to get a rise out of someone and thatā€™s how I read his post.

I get it though, you and everyone else OK with boxing wants all of the other people to lose sleep over the fact that MB still exists and that we havenā€™t gained anything due to the software ban, but I assure you that we donā€™t care because we know that the software ban hit the MB community hard. Weā€™re all very happy that Blizzard crippled MB and moreover if people find a way to bot efficiently in the future that doesnā€™t use software Iā€™m willing to bet Blizzard updates their policy on it again someday.

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9G death blossom is the crash. Its gone from 40g to 9g. This makes the average player stop bothering with farming as their time is now worth 1/4 of what it used to be. Itā€™ll keep going down. It gets to a point where the only real profits are being made by the bots and multi boxers. For ever 9g death blossom youā€™re getting. They get 5.

What youā€™ll see in like patch .3 or w/e is that players stopped gathering and bots and MB will ramp the prices way up for a bit, then crash it again. Pretty much the WoW market now. Farm up and sell at the start of the xpack. Then wait till the bots blow up the market after crashing it.

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Thatā€™s gouging. Thereā€™s no reason for such a plentiful and easy-to-get herb to cost that much.

And whatā€™s going to make the price of herbs and ore to go down is flying. Everyone from normal players to bots is going to benefit from that.

Its accounting for inflation. Its not gouging. You can make 4k+ gold just from the dailies. There were hundreds of people sitting on 5mil gold. Most people in this game sit on 200k+ thats how bad the market inflation is now. Thats why the prices went up. Theres that much gold sitting in peopleā€™s pockets.

Edit: To clarify Iā€™ve made almost 1million gold in this Xpack alone.

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I mean death blossom is worthless, not sure itā€™s a great example. It was definitely worth that much a month or so ago on Zulā€™jin, but I feel like our server prices are lower than most these days.

It crashing in general doesnā€™t surprise me, whenever I went on herb farms for my own consumables I would get tons of it. Iā€™m actually sitting on 500 shadowcore oils right now because of it.

Yeah I havenā€™t even tried and Iā€™ve about a mill too. I had a good heavy callous hide farm, but retail has taken a backburner for me and I just looked at the price of them are probably about 40% of what I was doing before anyways.

I donā€™t heavily follow market trends, but a lot of this dipping doesnā€™t surprise me anyways. Expansion launches and people price gouge the people willing to drop cash on them to get prepared for raiding. Bots aside a market crash in the first bit of an expansion is pretty typical. And with the way WoW works on basically each patch invalidating the other the prices tend to ebb and flow more in line with patches now too. If you really want to make gold farm and wait for the next raid to drop.