Multiboxing wasn't the issue

Lets be real, does anybody care how multi boxers feel about the software ban?

No.

Should anybody care about it?

Also no.

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How you have MVP status is beyond me.

Multiboxing is training wheels for wow, especially when it came to world PvP.

You have no idea what you’re talking bout. Head over to the reddit wow econ forum and let yourself be trolled by the multiboxers. Even here, as I already stated in this thread, players were bragging about paying for 10+ accounts only from farming. It was extremely disruptive.

Common farmed goods were worth next to nothing on many realms. Tich was completely flooded with multiboxers and trying to farm with one in the area was difficult. These players full tapped nodes meant for 10 single players.

There were tons of threads even in general of multiboxers defending their actions literally saying that they were helping the economy by keeping prices low…

That has almost nothing to do with it and can’t even be supported with any proof.

There were lots of reasons. Try pulling your head out of the sand. The 100’s of threads monthly should have been sufficient enough evidence to you of the severity of the problem. Just on the basis of the memes alone make it obvious.

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It happened at different rates. High pop realms like Tich it was more of an issue. I had alts on Gorefiend and didn’t run into them nearly as often.

It’s my opinion and one that is shared with the majority of players.

So all the multiboxers I saw that now no longer play and no longer post here just didn’t exist? Got it. 100% made up.

That’s a lie and your personal experience isn’t some universal experience we all share.

whataboutism.

The game has plenty of problems. They fixed one of them.

Because it wasn’t a handful. The massive amount of tears on the forum speaks to that. Thankfully, no one cares about multiboxer tears.

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No one is going to take the time to bot, so they can buy a carry. Those that buy carries have cash for tokens, but not time to invest in game. Botters are trying to get gold to sell or play the game for free. Everyone assumes the the opposite however.

they banned it, because botters were using it.
they banned it to make it possible to do sweeps, and take out masses of botting accounts in one swipe… but that doesn’t change much when it’s not the only method of botting.

botting is now more prolific, and more profitable than it’s ever been, and legit multiboxers have dialed back their number of active accounts, or simply stopped playing.

the “impact” was negligible.

nobody said anything of the sort.
…but since the ban, the number of boxers has fallen dramatically, and the number of botters has risen.

the only thing the ban accomplished, was punishing legit players, due to the actions of the ones who were breaking the rules.
it’s not as if it’s the first time we’ve seen this happen.
it happens constantly.

eg: botters find a nice spot to farm, the drops are nerfed for everyone.

i wasn’t aware that “the majority” of players were surveyed.
the only opinions we get to see on the forum, are the opinions of the people who feel the need to complain about EVERYTHING.
…and half of the ones complaining about multiboxing, weren’t able to discern the difference between a legit multiboxer, and a boxing botters.

even in the “anti-boxing” threads, there would be maybe 5 boxers posting in a thread which would have thousands of posts.
i don’t know what you think you were seeing.

i get the feeling that you’re one of the people who doesn’t know the difference between a legit multiboxer, and a boxing botter.

it was never a problem.

people here cry.
it’s what they do.
they feed off each others tears.

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There are multiple issues going on.

But retails economy is much better than classics. It’s so easy to make gold in retail.

good.

multiboxers were abusing nodes and griefing for ages. The only ones crying about their loss are the people who were doing it. So, so sorry that you can’t one shot players and pay for your 10 accounts with herbs anymore. I’m sure one day you’ll find a way to get over it.

Yea, you’re wrong, but okay.

10 boomkins flying around nazjatar and killing me over and over and over while I was trying to complete Undersea Usurper. I was dealing with them for months. Please tell me more about botters.

It was. Obviously.

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Cite your sources

Prove it.

Yeah actually he did. I laid it out exactly how I wanted to and you quoted that in which I paraphrased the logic he was using. It’s not that complicated.

Neat.

All botting discussions aside I’m literally unconcerned with this and 100% fine with it. If I could snap my fingers and make it MBing completely undoable I would snap them without a second thought. I have no love for it in any capacity and not because I got PvP’d by one (I mean I have, but it’s been like BC/WoTLK when I PvP’d regularly) or because they stole all mah nodes/mobs or whatever I just don’t think it’s good gameplay to have available in any sense of the imagination.

Cite your sources on this. I couldn’t honestly tell you if they were up or not based on in-game interactions. I’ve seen them around, but I also didn’t play about half of BFA so I’m really not able to make a cross comparison.

Prove it.

Then again, in case you didn’t figure it out, I also really don’t care. If the only reason for banning broadcast software was just because they changed their stance on legit players using MB software I’d be 100% fine with it. No sleep lost.

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Report them. Not going to lie I reported a bot in Ardenwald (bunch of druids) and maybe a week later at most got an in-game email from Blizzard saying thank you for the report and they took action. Couldn’t say what they did but they did take action it said.

edit: This was recent too like maybe a month ago tops.

You have both a false dichotomy and a faulty equivalence here.

There are more than two choices, and both of the ones you provided assume Blizzard knows what they are doing and/or has the data (and the skills to analyze it) to back it up. Which leaves us with at least one more choice - that Blizzard made a poor, hasty, or ill-informed choice based on what they thought might be correct.

Your faulty comparison (on two parts) to the actual physical world with legal ramifications has no bearing on a game where the worst that can happen is you lose a tiny bit of money. If botters were thrown in prison for botting that would be half of it. The other half is that locks are not equivalent to law. Words or even repercussions are different than physical impediments.

That’s not to weigh in on whether MB is good/bad/whatever. Just what what you provided is not a sound argument.

I think I saw multi-boxers a grand total of three times in BFA. Bots on the other hand I saw multiple times a day. I believe you just don’t know how to tell the two apart.

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Been playing since BC and I have seen the rise and fall of these multiboxers. It is well known the change in legion is what created the massive influx of them. When people are chasing me down and killing me, those aren’t bots. It’s absurdly easy to tell the difference. One of them is actively killing me, the other isn’t.

Simple enough for you?

When you see a bunch of stuff on the auction house for 11 gold and one for 1,500,000 gold… that wasn’t a typo.

Once again, I believe you’re exaggerating. As someone who played every day, there were nowhere near the number of multi-boxers you’re talking about. I mean if you want to blatantly lie, that’s fine, but no one here believes you.

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Yeah Blizzard took ~17 years to ban MBing. Super hasty! :rofl:

Look I’m totally aware that the legal ramifications of IRL on crimes is far more important than the impact of game design, but that’s fine for a comparison which is what I used it for because I don’t agree with the logic being applied (which is “bad guys don’t follow the rules”) and there’s plenty of reasons why we should create these rules or laws to govern this kind of stuff. Primarily because it lays out the consequences for people who do break the rules in addition to the fact that the idea of consequences will deter a certain portion of people from performing the action.

However you’re off-base here because to Blizzard, in which their game is their life-blood and there can and have been serious consequences for people’s actions over a video game. I won’t name the bot company on the forums but there was that infamous one that basically closed up shop after Blizzard did something that they decided was too damaging to their product (and accussed Blizzard of crossing a line).

:roll_eyes:

My comparison is 100% fine because while it’s not apples to apples it also doesn’t need to be to get my point across in that the notion that creating rules is pointless because rulebreakers won’t follow them is asinine. As Nobully pointed out in his other post how they banned MBing because they want to be able to do more sweeps. He doesn’t agree with them, but he pointed out why he thinks they did it. Which is actually a great reason why societies should create rules or laws to dictate this kind of stuff.

But here I’ll fix it for you: They should repeal and stop making laws that prohibit criminality because they’re still going to do it.

Hope that works for you.

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I have no issue with multiboxers running a team running dungeons , that makes sense.

Personally I don’t believe they belong in BGs

Many ppl confuse multiboxers for botters.

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Yeah, it’s super stupid; nothing more than a placebo to toss to the masses so they can ignore the actual problem for a while longer.

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Correct multiboxing was not the issue which is why it’s not against the rules still. The fact that bots use broadcasting software and it was one way to target them to break them is why they banned the broadcasting software.

The community never was smart.

I have seen more bots in SL than I ever have in the past. So much for broadcast software making any difference.

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I have no reason to lie though. The people defending the multiboxers on the other hand do have a reason. What am I gaining? I’m telling you it wasn’t a problem prior to legion. Blizzard made a number of changes that made it not only easier to multibox, but actually was extremely profitable.

Multiboxing in the past was a rare occurrence. I saw them from time to time up until WoD. WoD they were starting to get a bit more bold and many of them took over ashran for awhile, until they were likely banned.

Then legion hit. Node were capped at 10 and hyperspawn points became extremely lucrative with a large amount of world BOE’s added to the game. That said, even in Legion, the problem was still muted compared to BFA. They went from being a minor annoyance to completely disruptive. I spent a lot of time out in the world in BFA for the various achievements and was constantly bothered by them. Banescale the Packfather was the worst of them. It took me a couple weeks of camping to finally get the kill. Sadly, that was also the route the multiboxers would take, so they would religiously kill me every time they came through.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. You and I don’t have a shared experience. If you didn’t encounter them, fine… but please stop saying I’m lying.

Since SL started, there aren’t anymore of the multiboxing complaint threads… you know why? Because they are barely a factor in the game. The stupid trolls that lived in those threads are mostly moved on…

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