It isn’t about whether you notice them or not, it’s that they exist and about mitigating them, ESPECIALLY with FPS.
I swear you actually have next to no clue what I’m trying to tell you and instead are acting just like people did in the past with the whole “Human eyes can only perceive 24 frames a second!” “Human eyes can only perceive 60 frames a second!” lunacy.
Maybe it’s I don’t get this about you. You can speak for yourself, but people clearly notice or feel to notice one, why must you persist on coming off as a sanctimonious, nasal voiced kid saying “WELL ACKSHUALLY!” exactly? What do you achieve?
That said, latency does not cause motion sickness for me. I can have a really laggy experience, but if the camera turning is smooth, it won’t mess me up.
Lock your frame rate and tweak your settings to never go below the setpoint… Your brain desires consistency, not speed… People still don’t seem to grasp this concept.
Locked 100fps, that never goes above or below that mark, will do more for your brain and motion sickness than an unlocked 180fps that yo-yos around, maybe all the way down to 90fps and back up to 180fps.
The inconsistency is what your brain notices, not the frame rate and if you’re someone with motion sickness, THIS will be the main culprit to tackle. Not refresh rate chasing into infinity… EDIT: Again, assuming you have a GSYNC monitor that will do VRR within the frame rate range that you’re targeting, so that there aren’t any duplicated frames being rendered if the GPU doesn’t render a new frame in time for the monitor to refresh.
Frame skips from having vsync off (or no VRR with vsync on and not hitting rate) are super annoying. VRR with vsync on for life over here.
I’m really surprised the Steam Deck and OLED Switch both don’t have VRR displays. You’d think that they would, with them being underpowered compared to their contemporaries.
Locking framerates doesn’t help my motion sickness btw. I’ve tried that. It’s also why I can’t play most 60 fps hardcapped games. It’s purely down to the choppiness of camera turning for me. It’s the ratio of camera turning speed divided by displayed frame rate as the magical number.
I’m just telling ya what I’ve empirically tested on myself.
Gosh I’m glad I’m not alone in this. It’s actually the reason I always request to be the driver whenever possible. I get motion sick even if I’m not reading/doing anything but sitting in the passenger seat. Dx
Turn your mouse camera speed down then. Most people use high dpi mice, so you need to lower it in the options otherwise, you move the mouse a quarter inch and the camera does a 1080. My mouse will almost pick up my heart rate and “beat” it’s vibration on the screen. The default turn rate on a character, if you’re turning with the keyboard, is 180 degrees per second. That equates into:
30fps: 6 degrees per frame
60fps: 3 degrees per frame
100fps: 1.8 degrees per frame
144fps: 1.25 degrees per frame
240fps: 0.75 degrees per frame
As you can see, there’s an extremely sharp diminishing returns above 100fps. Most people can barely tell the difference between an 89 and a 90 degree triangle (in real life where there isn’t stair stepping from screen aliasing). If you bump the turn rate up to 360 degrees per second, all those numbers double. The 100 to 144hz range will be at 3.6 to 2.5 degrees per frame, which is barely going to be noticible when you’re panning the camera around for fractions of a second at a time.
You’re acting like the OP said something bad. The reality is he has a point. My buddy has a form of epilepsy and it used to be brought on if he looked at something like Destiny on his old monitor because his old monitor was actually a 33 inch TV that had a terrible refresh rate and caused him to feel motion sick, or worse.
Man gets a monitor that’s 24 inches and 144 hz (the golden rule of monitors is 27 inches and 144 hz) and suddenly, that stops. Why? Because refresh rate and terrible resolution was a huge part of his problem (because 33 inches over stretches most images).
OP has a valid point bringing something like this up and for people with the ability to purchase something like this, or if they have some kind of holiday coming up where they can afford to spend on themselves as a treat, this is actually solid advice.
I’m glad they found a solution. And a pretty good one at that. I’ll probably use the potions because those dungeons throw off my depth perception a bit.
That’s good to see changes for the dungeons, as I’ve gotten older my motion sickness ramped up a lot and sadly even the Dynamic Cam/Action cam stuff quickly throws me into that. Headache to migraine, vertigo, nausea, all the fun stuff. Which sucks because playing with either was honestly quite fun and made the leveling experience feel different (Including stuff like Hardcore/Soul of iron runs in classic)
That was one of my early indications, can’t read, watch TV, or anything in a car. Though these days being in a car in general does it, anything but quick drives are not pleasant.
Your fault for choosing to post on Classic characters to obscure such facts, and said person admitted to having different accounts for every game mode they play including different versions of classic so…
Especially when Actioncam came out and was default on, making for issues for many people.
With no way to verify, since people like you like to obscure such things and how many people are found to sock-puppet it wouldn’t be surprising. Solution? Post on retail chars, but neither of you would as basically all classic posters do.
Aren’t you the dude who kept screaming for me to post my retail toon’s armory, which I did to back up the assertion I had Gladiator and knew what I was talking about then kept trying to say “That’s not enough proof for me, you clearly grabbed this literal who shadow priest that nobody has ever heard of within 30 seconds but that’s clearly just your friend’s armory” despite four other people in thread saying that it was more than likely it was my character given it wasn’t a prominent arena player, and that I responded with almost lightning speed with their armory page when prompted?
Then were so unhinged you expected me to give enough of a damn to reinstall retail and take a picture of my character select screen?
Nice misgender not surprising you’d do it intentionally again, and no. You made all sorts of claims about your experiences in retail, and then refused to post on said character and just linked someone’s armory.
It took you a while for one, and two linking a gladiators armory by name that you just happened to remember doesn’t mean it’s ‘you’.
More personal attacks because you lost, seems that more applies to you who supposedly has entirely different bnet accounts for ‘every activity’ that you do.
Still no post from a retail char, so you have fun but no matter what you still lost this one.
Sorry, until I am provided with proof I can’t take your claims as fact. Same standard you hold to me.
30 seconds to a minute is a while now? That’s impressive.
Yes, because people totally see someone with a gladiator title, write their name down on a notepad or some crap just to pull it out in the event they need it to verify a claim they made. . .
That’s some psychopath level stuff there and I don’t engage with that behavior. I take pride in all my accomplishments, I don’t buy carries, I don’t buy gold, I don’t even let other people touch my character because I am THAT fixated on EVERYTHING I earn was by my own hand. So why in the hell do you think I would parade someone else’s achievements as my own exactly?
Describing unhinged behavior as unhinged is personal attacks now?
As I said then, I keep them apart so I can indulge on different games without having my battle tag friends scream at me to get on WoW and help them cap their conquest when I just want to chill with a nice few games of Overwatch and not think about WoW without the hassle of needing to toggle appear offline every single time I want to play a different game.
It’s very difficult for me to sit in the backseat of a car. I try, so I don’t come off as someone that always wants shotgun, but I end up getting sick back there.
I have a major problem with heights.
I can’t watch movies with shaky cam (so no Office or Jason Bourne movies for me)
I can’t read or use my ipad/phone in the car.
But yet I’ve never had an issue with Grimrail Depot. Is it really that bad? I just did this dungeon the other day for TW and it didn’t phase me.
YES. That’s what got me. Oh man way too much moving on the screen.
There are also tips on how to reduce motion sickness online, most of which don’t cost money. You can Google “How to stop getting motion sickness playing video games”
And although none of the tips are absolute cures, I am sure they can help.
I am sure that many players play on low-end PCs, however a lot of computer parts (including monitors) can be found pretty cheap if you know how to shop. I think most gamers who take their hobby seriously make smart investments in that regard.
I am curious though, for players who have problems with vision, do many of them play content like Mythic + and raids? I assume many don’t, considering the face-paced nature of those activities. But I wouldn’t know, I have never played with anyone who brought issues up like this, and I don’t have vision problems myself.
If that’s the solution, then yes. One could actually not play until the money is saved, or one could do Uber, Uber eats, Doordash, ect. However, extra work to earn the money to solve an issue so one could enjoy something is totally out of the question for someone like you.
I agree with you to a point. I don’t do things that trigger my motion sickness nor to expect the world to change for me.
However, you’re dead wrong on the peanut thing. It’s not just “don’t eat peanuts!” If you eat a P&J sandwich and touch someone with a peanut allergy, you could trigger a reaction. Peanut allergies can be deadly. It’s not like my grass allergy where if I walk through a field with shorts on I’ll get big red welts on my legs, people with peanut allergies could stop breathing.
I seen a story about a boy that was on a date with a girl and the girl had eaten a p&j sandwich hours before they went on a date but when they kissed, he was sent to the ER and almost died. It was their first date so she had no idea.
Anyways, I’m just saying people with peanut allergies are not being fragile, they’re just trying to stay alive.